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The boys all sat down and discussed what a great year 2023 was at RISE Pole Vault, did a bunch of goofing around, and thought about what things 2024 may bring.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the One More Jump podcast by Rise Pull Vault. Today we have an internal episode with all of the boys. We got me, Luke, Trevor and John all here to talk about the fun and exciting things we did here in 2023 at Rise Pull Vault. We talked about the future, of what we want to do in 2024, and we got off topic a lot, but we were just having a good time. So hope you guys enjoy this episode of the One More Jump podcast.
Luke Winder:All right, I think we're good to go.
Jake Winder:You know what's really. I was thinking about this before. What's really awesome about a podcast on the day of a jump day is whenever it's actually a good jump day. Oh yeah, that helps. I think about how much it would suck if you had a really bad jump day and you had to sit through this podcast right now. That would not be as much fun.
Luke Winder:Not as much fun. Ej, the World Championships, got asked a lot about how it felt getting second jumping six meters.
John Wood:Really.
Luke Winder:Yeah Well, because it's like the highest place ever for a second place.
Jake Winder:Hold on.
Luke Winder:Jumped six meters and got second place to Mando.
Jake Winder:That is pretty wild, that you could jump six meters and they're like how do you feel you had a good day?
Luke Winder:You jumped pretty well and he was like well, it kind of sucks when you jump six meters and get second.
Jake Winder:I feel like they're on Jumpers World. The other day they had that video of Mando jumping like 20 feet from who knows how many, whatever approach, and the caption was just it's Mando versus Mando.
John Wood:It really is.
Jake Winder:It's Mando World, Isn't that crazy man. It's really, really crazy that that dude is that much further ahead. I don't know if that ever happens again in the sport.
Luke Winder:Just wait yeah, Just wait Wait 2024, baby.
Jake Winder:So we wanted to do the podcast today just to recap 2023 and just talk about what it is that we thought was cool but we thought was not so cool, and just kind of talk about 2024 too. So big year coming up, 2024. We, we, 2023, I will just start off with let's just do, like, what do you think was the cool, like the best part for you at rise, like what we did in 2023? And I would say that, like, moving to this place was pretty clutch, like pretty clutch moving to this place, especially like after our old place, because the transition to that was absolutely insane, and I think we should just like tell a little bit about the story of how, like that transition, moving from the old place to the new place.
Luke Winder:Yeah. Yeah, I mean that actual move happened in 2022, but a lot of our time, 2023, spent here, I think a big thing, and my favorite was the media influence that we had, because, like right after Reno or at Reno, we kind of started a media rise situation with John and then from there, you know the you know reach that we had across the world was like way bigger. However, a lot of those videos wouldn't have been as cool if they weren't filmed in here too. So, yeah, that's a big thing and for me I mean me and Trevor selfishly get a way better experience vaulting in this facility versus the last facility and having a place to do sprints and lift and do all of that in one centralized location, which is really nice.
Jake Winder:Yeah, I'm really interested to see how you would have vaulted in the old facility, like with it being so narrow, and then like the ceilings. So these are 35 foot ceilings and the old place was 23 foot ceilings Okay, so like 10 feet shorter, if you had a good jump and you timed it up right.
Luke Winder:You could get your feet in between the rafters.
Jake Winder:Really.
Luke Winder:Yeah, like I mean there was times where I was jumping at like a 65 bungee or something and the video. If you were filming from behind, like my feet, like we had rafters, that went right through the middle though, but if you were looking from behind, the feet were definitely going like pretty close up there.
Luke Winder:So I remember getting nervous about it, like I remember coaching and just being like, oh well cause our garage door went up over the pit but it was far enough back into the pit where it was probably going to be okay. But if you're jumping like, if I like had a crazy good jump and blew through the pole. It was like it could get a little dicey get a little pop in the back of the head yeah.
Jake Winder:That was, that was pretty wild.
John Wood:If I'm not mistaken, you couldn't even run full approach.
Luke Winder:Nope, I ran seven every single time I was in there. That's the furthest I could run. The wall was 118 feet and my seven is like 106 or 107 feet. So yeah, I didn't even bump it back to eight cause I was probably pushing it too much, and yeah.
John Wood:Yeah.
Jake Winder:So now you actually get to practice.
Luke Winder:Get to practice full approach and we don't run it a whole lot still, but, like I, still get to practice full approach, get to do pole runs, get to get up to top speed indoors. I never got to do that in 2022. I was like running accelerations, but right when I would hit top speed I'd have to stop. Now I can, like, hit top speed, hold it for a second and be done, which is nice. That's the bare minimum, but also everything that I need in pole vault is to be able to hit top speed, hold it for a little bit and be done in you know, 40 to 60 meters, and I can do that in here. So got everything that I need in here.
Jake Winder:Yeah, I can like actually host meats now too. Like legit legit meats with like a good amount of people and feel like somebody's getting it.
John Wood:So what was the feeling like at?
Jake Winder:the old meats. It was dude, the old meats were. I was telling Trevor cause for people who don't know like we all have real jobs at rise. I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions that rises, that we just show up and coach the pole vault. That is like we do that for the shortest amount of time, like as far as our work goes. Like so Luke is our general manager, so like manages everything like memberships and payments and all the kind of just general manager stuff, and then would is our content director, so he does all of our content and does all that stuff. And then Trevor is our events director and I was talking with Trevor about like the old process, like how we would have to set up for meats at the old place and we used to have to break down the entire facility, like we would have to unbolt the squat racks.
Luke Winder:I forgot about that.
Jake Winder:Yeah.
Luke Winder:I forgot that we did that every single time.
Jake Winder:We'd have to unbolt the squat racks, move the squat racks into like some corner and then like take all of our stuff and just jam it into this little corner. It looked terrible and then we'd rent from.
Luke Winder:We'd rent like party chairs from like a like a place in Shanahan and just set up 25 party chairs Like it was. 25 seats were available because our max capacity at our old facility was 50 people like capacity wise.
Jake Winder:Like that's what the city gave us. Like they were like yeah, you can have 50 people in here.
Luke Winder:Like 50 people and that was still kind of a lot like in that small facility. It was like if you had 25 people and then you had 15 people jumping and like some coaches and stuff like that. It was still like jam packed, but it wasn't in a good way. It was like, okay, now we can't use half of the facility because people are sitting there. The other half there's a bunch of poles laying on the ground, so we've got the runway for kids to warm up on and there's 15 kids.
Luke Winder:Dude the like thinking about like just stressful looking back, like that does not sound like a fun. It's giving me anxiety, like thinking about it, like how did they even warm? Up yeah.
Jake Winder:Like it was. It was so crazy so we used to have to do that. And so, like we would break it all down. I was telling Trevor the other day like I would show up at like 5am and I would just start just jamming everything into the corner and doing all the stuff and then set up these flags to like section off different areas and stuff like that. Luke would come over, we'd set everything up and then, like we would get done with the meat and we'd be like, oh my gosh, we're done with the meat, just completely, just wiped, exhausted. And then we'd be like, oh, dude, we got to set this all back up to have classes.
Luke Winder:And it was for like less than half of the amount of people attending the meat too.
John Wood:Right, that was the tough thing.
Luke Winder:So it was like twice or three times amount of work, where now we come in and kind of like have it all, our situation's pretty good, where it's all set up, spaced out well enough to where we don't have to set that much stuff up and we have like three times more people attending and they can still have more room to warm up, where before it was like not very many people even going to the meats and not very many parents, like parents of the athletes would show up but it wouldn't be a lot of them because it wasn't that many kids jumping and we'd have to space that out every single. It was like every hour and a half, like on the hour and a half starting at eight, ending at eight. Every single meat.
Jake Winder:You know, and I would just be like walking through the facility, like not trying to, not make eye contact with the parents, because I knew that, like we were, we were really pushing it like riding on the razor's edge of. Is this acceptable?
Jake Winder:or not, and I'd just be like walking with my head down like please don't talk to me, cause I knew somebody would be like coming up and just be like, dude, you got to do, you got to switch this up or you got to switch that up, and I'm like, oh man, we you know, we just had to hustle so hard at that old facility to be able to try to get things going. And now, like Luke said, we could literally like we could just be like hey, everybody, show up in an hour and we could have everything set up for the meat. It's really, really tight, so it's super, super clutch.
Luke Winder:And like I think that's where we started was, but that this facility is definitely the reason, a big well, the reason for the growth of rise, to like and just not only just like the meats, but having more kids in here. I talked to kids sometimes too, like, back at the old facility we had five kids in each session for an hour. Now we have. You know, each pit is an hour and a half long. Each pit has a coach on it, maximum of 10 people on each runway. You know the likelihood that all 10 kids show up to is pretty low, but, like, having the max of 20 people in here creates a way different vibe too.
Luke Winder:Like, the kids are just like partying every single day and music's blasted in and, like kids are just half the time the kid will get off the pit and be more excited to get back in line than to hear what I have to tell them, which I'm okay with.
John Wood:Sometimes, you know so I remember the first week coaching here and seeing everyone like kind of be together and goofing around and joke around and warm up together and that was. It was just such a different feeling. I love to see that and, like at the old place, when you had people warming up, it's like they would be running across the runway or like someone has their pole up and someone's running next to them and they're like, oh shoot, you know, it was just so crowded. Now, just to see everyone do that together. Yeah, like I forgot about that and you're not gonna get like speared with a pole, like just standing there.
Jake Winder:You know well, you still probably could, but it's really, it's really been amazing. But like, getting to this point like was a complete, like it broke me almost completely, like on a couple occasions. Like we were talking the other day about when I first found this place and like we were like, all right, yeah, let's see if we can just push the limits. Like we didn't know if we had enough people to support this. We didn't know hardly anything. Did we hired you full time before that?
Luke Winder:No, it was right before Reno that he got hired.
Jake Winder:Yeah, right before.
Luke Winder:So it seems like he's been hired. It seems like he's been less than a year for like six years.
Jake Winder:It's been less than a year.
Luke Winder:It's been less than a year since we'd got before, before I started doing the media stuff Before he was hired Before he was hired Like on a sour.
John Wood:Yeah.
Luke Winder:Doesn't it seem like it's been like three years, wait, you've only been here for less than a year.
Jake Winder:Literally.
Luke Winder:It was literally right before Reno. It was right before Reno, because we were talking about the Mondo video, the podcast clip of Mondo and all that that got put together and us kind of wanted to see what Wood had in store and he had been coaching for longer than that.
Luke Winder:But we were in need of somebody else to be on the team and like kind of want to push this thing a little further, because it was just Jake and I so and at the time I don't even know if Jake was full time you like just were full time too, because, like you were holding out because we wanted to make sure everything was working at the new facility.
Jake Winder:Yeah, because you got hired first.
Luke Winder:Yeah.
Jake Winder:So Luke, like when I go and do payroll, luke is the old, like the seniority over every part. So, whatever I go to do payroll, it's so crazy, yeah. So Luke got hired, and then I I was hired over a year before you.
Luke Winder:Even I was hired in May of 2021.
Jake Winder:And then I was still teaching that whole next year and then in 2022, I 2022, like August though August or September, like right.
Luke Winder:When we moved into here you were like okay, I'm not going back to teaching, so got to do it.
Jake Winder:And then we hired Wood like Late December?
Luke Winder:I guess Late December ish.
Jake Winder:I think I probably told you like, yeah, let's do it.
John Wood:Yeah, yeah, and it was official like January 1st.
Jake Winder:January 1st, yeah yeah. And then it was a wild time, man, because we had like a just like a just a snowball of events that happened like so quickly. Like we found this place and then I was trying to talk with Luke about like all right, let's do it Like we don't know if we have enough people to support it. You know, we want to hire wood and and all of these things were starting to kind of happen. And then I talked with this guy. This place wasn't even on the market, like it wasn't even on the market. I kept calling this guy for probably two years, like, and I was just like, hey, let me like, what do you got? He's a real estate guy who owns a lot of real estate around here, and I was like what do you got? Do you got something? He's like what do you want it for? And I was like I want to. I want to do a pole vaulting gym. And he was like, basically, click you know like, nah, I'm good.
Jake Winder:And I was just like and I just was persistent man, I'd call him back like every couple months. Be like he got anything, you still doing it for the pole vault gym. Yeah, I don't got anything. And then eventually, like after six times calling him, he was like, all right, dude, I think I might have this place opening up, but I don't think it'll work for you. And I was like what are the dimensions? He was like 200 feet by 75 feet. I was like, well, that's really good. I was like, what are the ceilings? He was like 35 feet.
Jake Winder:I was like, dude, that could work. I was like, come on, just give us a shot. Like just give us a shot and and let's do it. And he was like, well, you're going to have to sign a pretty good leak, like a pretty long lease and all this stuff. And I was just like thinking in my head like I don't know. I was just like, yeah for sure, yeah, we'll do it, you know no problem. And then I walk in here and I was like this is going to take a lot of work getting this place together. And then we committed to it. And then, as soon as we committed to it. Luke qualifies for the world championships. And so, like I was like, working on the place, and Luke was helping out, working on the place, I was trying to keep him, you know, safe and healthy. And then you know he qualifies for the world championships and we're like, oh man, so now we've got Luke going on the world championships, We've got us trying to move this place and it was. It was the most difficult.
Luke Winder:One of the craziest memories of that year was whenever my last workout at the old facility, there was like half of the stuff was taken out and it was basically like a pole vault pit with a couple pieces of rubber on the sides of the runway and then like a bunch of the poles were off, a bunch of the weight racks were gone, and I remember being like this is crazy. We're like literally halfway through the transition of moving from this facility to the other, but you don't get something for nothing because the I mean we the rent.
Luke Winder:Compared to the other places, this is a five times bigger place, so it's like we were also nervous about that at first, making sure, like, okay, is this going to work literally just financially that we're going to be able to maintain this and be able to know that I'm full time and I want to have job security and you want to have job security. We knew that we were probably going to take wood on and beyond wood. We knew we were going to have probably have to have somebody else.
Luke Winder:So it was like we need to and at the time, jake or not Jake, dad and Mike is coaching, so it was like you know. You got to pay them and make sure that you're everybody's getting compensated appropriately while you're footing the bill on a five time bigger facility and have, knowing you're probably going to get more people having a second pit that you have to purchase, like there was a lot that went into it.
Luke Winder:Right and we were doing a majority of it on our own, like laying down the turf and laying down like the rubber, and all that just you and I, and like whoever we could find help with, and obviously the salogas and yeah, and Ryan Anderson's family and stuff like Huge, ridiculous, they came through for us huge.
Jake Winder:But the hardest thing about doing this and like for people out there that like maybe want to try to do this, there was never one day that I just like was like, yeah, this is a good idea, this will work. Never been that time. Never been that time. Like when I went to hire Luke, I was never like, oh yeah, for sure, this is a no brainer. Like I was like, dude, you told Luke that you said you were going to do this and then you better do it, better freaking do it. And I was just like, all right, hey, you know, yeah, let's do it, let's do it. And then you got to make it work. And then you know that worked. And then it wasn't.
Jake Winder:The hardest part is that we were guessing how much we would grow. It was. It wasn't. Like. The hardest thing about doing something like this in the pole vault is because there's nothing you can compare it to. You can't compare it to, like other sports gyms or things like that. Like, oh yeah, those, they have that many, they have that many. Like you're creating like a new market in your area and you never know, like what's going to happen with that. So that was the hardest part. The most nerve wracking part is like I think that will grow by this much. Currently we don't like at that time it's like, well, maybe we barely have enough to make it happen, you know. But I think we'll grow this much, and that's what's so nerve wracking about it, man. And then you know you hire people on and then I guess the more you do it, the better you get at it. But man, it's just like every time I like we bite off a little bit more. It's just like you know you lay awake at night, just like.
Luke Winder:All right, I think the decision to hire Trevor was one, though, that we were a little more like we need it and it's going to work.
Luke Winder:And we also kind of need to make it work because we were like, okay, it was just becoming a lot to manage the facility and the coaching and stuff.
Luke Winder:You know, dad left so that was some coaching hours and you're always, you know, I'm traveling vaulting Trevor travels with vaulting too but like when we need fill ins and just managing all of it, with the amount of events that we wanted to start running and making sure that we're running more meets in a year to help with the kids and trying to get more people to go to Reno or trying to get more people to attend certain events that we have the camp with Katarina, like we wanted to have that stuff and that was stuff that we had been requested to do more by the kids and by the kids families, to run camps and to have more meets. But we knew with just us three it wasn't going to happen. So I feel like that was a easy. Like we're hiring somebody and there's an 18 nine pole, valter, who is willing to come to Chicago and his you know girlfriend has a job in Chicago and it just seems like everything's aligned.
John Wood:Aligning Not too many of those people out there.
Luke Winder:Yeah, I was like there's literally nobody else out there and I had met you before, so I was like I know he's a good dude and I know he's a good jumper too. I was like I don't see why, you know, somebody who jumps 18 nine should know a little bit about pole vault. And he does and you know, has molded himself into a rise thing too, you know, into the rise thing, which is cool.
Jake Winder:And he's fun to work with. I appreciate it.
Luke Winder:I was a little nervous coming on to coach at first because I didn't have a ton of coaching experience Like I just done like little camps and stuff here and there with like my high school or throughout college and um. But I appreciate you guys taking the taking the leap of faith with me with coaching because the first uh like couple of sessions I shadowed you, jake and um, you were just like quizzing me, like making sure that I knew how to keep the kids safe.
Jake Winder:That's basically it, man. All the other stuff you can teach like pretty easily, but it's like you gotta have somebody who it's. It's just like they need to know how to put somebody on the proper pole, with the proper grip, with the proper step, like if you got those things like they're going to be safe and then after that, like you know you just it's, it's pretty, it's not easy to learn, but it's, it's that's a really reps after that.
Luke Winder:I feel like once, if you have it lined up where it's like you know pull like. A lot of the time we talk about how a kid will come in here, and sometimes their first day of improvement, it's not like we told them some like thing that they we had an epiphany on that they like fix their technique in this way. They're just likely gripping too high on too big of a pole.
Luke Winder:Or the opposite, or two grip and way too low on too small of a pole and like have never been told or they're running from the wrong spot.
Luke Winder:Or all three of those things and it's just like you fix two of those things and they jump a foot higher and they're like holy cow. And then you add in after a month or two like, hey, now we got everything right and Now you could focus on this, and then they jump even higher after that. But a lot of the time it's pretty cool to see that just a simple improvement of keeping them safe actually gets them to jump higher too.
Jake Winder:Yeah, and uh, I, you like, whenever you came in, I I was like okay, if he can get them in the pit and and I know that he like has that idea and that concept down of like proper pole, proper grip, proper step, I know he's gonna get better Because he's gonna be coaching Thousands of reps in a week, you know. So it's just like, yeah, that's you know. You. You end up like Coaching at a gym like this. You end up Coaching so many reps. It's like you go through like Three years of coaching Inside of like three months here. You know, because it's just like so many kids and so many different kids that like have different problems and things like that, and you end up just getting better just by doing it and figuring it out for yourself too, which is pretty, pretty awesome.
Luke Winder:I feel like that's been fun is having the like such a wide variety of jumpers and jumper like types of pole vaulters has been um interesting to try to work with, because I feel like if you're just coaching at like a like a high school and you have like 10 vaulters, or like five vaulters, it's pretty easy to mold them all into one Like mold.
Luke Winder:Yeah, that you want them to vault like, but with the like I don't know how many kids like 80 kids that we see in a day, right, it's um, it's not really possible to do that.
Jake Winder:Yeah, and so being able to like adjust your coaching style for like the different kids is something that I'm still working on, but it's like it seems like a pretty important part to get down, yeah, and you end up just like learning what Like this kid does this well and this well and he needs to work on this or she needs to work on this, and then you end up just being able to diversify your coaching, like so well, it's pretty pretty awesome.
John Wood:I got a question for trevor. How do you think coaching has affected your own vaulting?
Luke Winder:I don't know, not a whole lot, I don't think. I think that when I say something to Jake after a vault, I Feel like I sound like one of the kids at vaults here.
Jake Winder:That's pretty accurate. That's, I think, the biggest difference that I'm like.
Luke Winder:The thing that I've noticed the most is when I say something I'm like man, I just sound like I'm just a member at rise. That's that I basically are Dude. Yeah, I just rise elite. That's what people I think people have a misconception of like, like elite vaulters.
Jake Winder:Obviously there's differences, but it's like Just doing the kind of the same things, just on a much bigger level, like a much higher level, like Luke's still Using cues that he was using when he was in seventh grade no, that's a crazy thing, you know, like, I'll like say, I'll say something sometime and.
Luke Winder:You and I'll both be like man. Dad told us that back in like 2006,. Right, you know.
Jake Winder:And it's like People over complicate this. Yeah, I think a lot energy and energy out like there's just a lot of simple stuff to pull vault to.
Luke Winder:The one thing that you said the other day is you were like you know, it's weird about a Pull valter's career is a lot of time they start off and it's like man, it's I don't care about anything and I'm just like here. You know, the first couple, first year of their vaulting, they're like I don't really care, like this is awesome, I'm just pole vaulting, this is really cool. And then they start to complicate things year two, three, four, five, six, however many of those it goes. And then as they get older, they start to recognize that they just start going back to that Seventh or eighth grade person who started mentality of okay, I don't care about what anybody else is doing, I'm just gonna like, you know, not care as much and really try to just execute a couple of
Luke Winder:things, they end up jumping higher and so you go through like a big process of like a decade of trying to learn. And well, and you do learn, but like think, find the like thing. That's like the golden ticket, and then you find out the gold. The golden ticket was just getting to the mentality that you were when you were a little kid.
Jake Winder:Yeah, it's like you just do a big circle like you don't care, you're just having fun, and then you just go through this super tumultuous, tumultuous, trimultuous guy just said time you go all the way around and you're just trying to figure it out, like what's the silver bullet, like what can I do, like there's got to be one thing that's going to help me, and you just Just try so, so hard, and then you come all the way back around and you're so exhausted that you're just like I just don't care, and I think then you end up doing really well, yeah, I you know what's cool too, though, as I feel that as a coach too, because, like I remember dad teaching me I was.
Luke Winder:We were talking about this in the same conversation where, like, our dad taught us how to coach as well, like he was a teacher or mom was a teacher, you were a teacher I was the only one in my family that wasn't but our dad, like spent summers Teaching us how to coach just as much as he taught us how to pole vault. So, like at the pole vault camp, he would sit next to me and be like you're gonna coach this whole session, but I'm gonna tell you how to go about doing it, and it was very simple stuff.
Jake Winder:You guys keep talking. That's a pole order.
Luke Winder:Oh, there we go it was very simple stuff. And Then you go through an entire you know time of maybe over complicating things as a coach as you get more mature and feel like you have this sort of knowledge of like Okay, now I need to think of my own ways of doing things, which is important, but then you start recognizing that as you get better as a coach, I feel like it also does the exact same thing, where you simplify it again and you go from like simple, like learning how to do it. It's like, hey, my dad's telling me, you know, keep it simple, try to make sure you're focused on big things. And then you start focusing on intricacies and you start realizing that that's not working too well and then you're like you know what. You just need to, kind of you know you tell the athlete you need to focus on some bigger things, like some simple, you know energy and energy out type situations, and Then it, you know, is the exact same cycle as the elite polevolta goes through.
John Wood:I think I, I completely feel that. Yeah um, like especially coaching. It's like I sometimes I like try something, like I'm trying to figure out a way to get someone to do something, and and we just like go so in depth with it and I'm like, oh, if you do this or you move this or you focus on this, and then I'm like, all right, you know what. We just need to come back and break it down, and sometimes it's as easy as on the foot, on the back, on the side.
John Wood:Yeah and realize how, how much those actually teach, and just getting into the right position there.
Luke Winder:Just like hey. So how do I get on the side? Sometimes I'll be like dude, just land on your side.
Jake Winder:Like, just simply just try to land on your side like it's.
Luke Winder:It's sometimes as simple as okay we have, like we were talking about a straight pole drill that we do. Well, I'll go back to the on the back, like some kids will be like why can't I land on my back? And I'm like you're just not committing to actually landing on your back, dude you know, it's that simple.
Luke Winder:Sometimes kids get off the pit and ask me like how to like land on their back or land on their side or just do some sort of cue or something and they're like looking for like a specific magic way to say it. Yeah and probably like 30 percent of the time, maybe 40 percent of time.
Luke Winder:I'm just like you, kind of just got to do it, man yeah, because like eventually, if you learn that movement, it's like, okay, you learn the movement, okay, now we can try to get a little more intricate with it, and that's okay, but until you've learned how to do that. If you're starting off with intricacies of a brand new beginner trying to land on their back and you're telling them they got to move their arm and bend their, you know, allow their left arm to relax and drop their head back and do it like you give them too much stuff and they're gonna not land on their back probably.
John Wood:I remember I used to teach martial arts and I was trying to teach someone how to do a 540 kick and I was like you know, you got to torque your hips like this and you got to make sure you you're turning your head and you got to do this and do that and you just couldn't do it. And then my dad comes over. He's like, hey, your foot's here, and you just got to, when you land, put it here. And then the dude did it first try, yeah, and it was just put your foot there. And that's because he's a sensei.
Luke Winder:That's your dad. That's exactly like how it is with like pole vaulting, though I remember me. Uh, you know, coaching like a beginner and being like you know like you're, whenever you're coming through takeoff, you're doing this and that and this and that, and my dad would be like, hey, stay tall. Like you'd just say that and the kid had figured out and it'd be like, oh okay, yeah, you're right, probably just needed to chill on that. Just tell them something pretty simple that they can try to think about. You know, Give them 20 things. They can't think about 20 things.
Jake Winder:That's been my favorite motto here is simple but effective. Simple but effective. Minimum effective dose. What are you doing if You're just wasting your breath, if you're complicating it? So it's just a waste of time?
Luke Winder:I was saying the uh whenever you were gone. The Cycle is almost the exact same as a coach, as an elite or a long career polevolter.
Luke Winder:Oh yeah, you start off learning like we started off learning from dad. Hey, you got a coach, you got to keep it very simple, try to make sure that they understand the big points and the big movements and leave it at that as best you can. Obviously have to get intricate sometimes and then you go on in your career as a coach and you start, you know, not that you get bigheaded, but you start thinking that there's you know, other ways maybe. Or you start thinking about smaller, intricate details and it starts throwing the athlete off and then you find yourself going back to hey, you just need to, you know, focus on this big movement.
Jake Winder:Yeah, but they don't. A lot of times they don't want that though.
Luke Winder:I know that's the thing that's hard.
Jake Winder:They want the more complicated, like plug it into the calculator.
Luke Winder:Yeah, like they want, like well, it couldn't be that.
Jake Winder:You know, it couldn't be that little tiny fix, like it's got to be something more complicated, right? And it's almost like, uh, you have to like put on a show Like instead. And and that's what I, as I get older as a coach, I'm just like man, I'm just tired of putting on the show. Man, I'm tired of putting on the show like over complicating this, like this is who is at the door right now, like it's jet, oh, big, j yeah, big jet in the house.
Jake Winder:Oh how are we doing over there wood Good uh, I just don't want to put on the show anymore. It's like I know the most efficient way for you to get this done and I'm just gonna tell you the most efficient way. You don't need to know, like, why it works like All the time, so just do that and it'll.
Luke Winder:It'll be fine, you know, but it's like you don't have to know the reason, like like I understand some kids want to know the reason and stuff, but sometimes, like how you've told me, like the last time you can spend thinking about your pole vaulting, the better. It's going to be, like if you just get on the runway and you try to execute us a cue, let's say, if you're constantly, you know, coming off the pit and you're like, well, why, though? Like why, why, why? And you keep trying to get too much information, well then I'm forgetting what you even told me.
Luke Winder:To do and then I get on the runway and I'm like, wait, I know why. He told me what I should do, but I don't know what he told me to do. And then you get off the pit and you start that cycle again and it's like, if it's like, hey, you need to hit a higher, get your hips above your shoulders a little further, keep it as simple as that and not you know understand why.
John Wood:But maybe save that for after the workout one thing I found to be important is To make sure they understand that you, you know why Then you're not just saying something simple like, oh Well, let's move it in a foot, and they're like, well, no, that's not what what I was doing. You know, it felt really weird and my plant was weird and I I fell off at the top. Well, it's like, no, it's because you were too far out and you were leaning forward and all that. And we have this in our head and how it affects the top. But if they know that, you know that, then sometimes it can be easy for them to be like oh okay, just move it in a foot.
John Wood:Oh, so, yeah, so so, it's not always explaining it, but if they know that, that you know why right, then explaining it to them later.
Luke Winder:I think yeah, yeah, sometimes like letting them just, you know, execute it for now, but then Giving them details after maybe sometimes, yeah, 100%, um.
Jake Winder:so I don't know, what do you? Is your dad a sensei? Like what is a sensei?
John Wood:So sensei is japanese, okay, um so.
Luke Winder:Trevor, trevor knows he knows japanese.
John Wood:Uh, yeah, so he is. Uh, he is in tecwan. Oh, he's a grandmaster.
Jake Winder:I'm learning japanese Just just barely, just to be clear, All right yeah, grandmaster, you were getting around when, uh, grandmaster would yep, that's freaking sick dude.
Luke Winder:That is a sick name.
John Wood:Imagine having that be your name on instagram.
Luke Winder:Yeah, right are you?
John Wood:I'm not.
Jake Winder:What are you? How could you be a grandmaster?
John Wood:You gotta be a seventh degree black belt.
Jake Winder:How many you got? Are you a black belt?
Luke Winder:That's gonna be like how many of training?
John Wood:but I'm not, I'm a fifth.
Luke Winder:Two more.
Jake Winder:Yeah, it takes a while what separates you from being a fifth and a seventh?
John Wood:Pretty much just time. Yeah, I'm doing it, showing like a lot of times. Then it becomes after like Fourth is like you're considered master and then like they want to see that you can teach it and and that becomes a big part of it and and like to get to a certain level, like you have to have your own School and your own students and be able to pass it on. That's pretty cool.
Luke Winder:Do you ever do a American Ninja Warrior or try it? I did try it.
John Wood:Well, I submitted a tape for it. They actually got back to me and they said hey, we like it, but we need you to change a couple things in it. But it was the same time that it was going off to do that Marvel tour, so I had to decline it.
Jake Winder:Yeah, tell us about the Marvel. Tell us about the Marvel tour.
Luke Winder:Look at this, everyone's learning everything about Grandmaster Wood over here. Yeah.
Jake Winder:So I hold on like oh well, you guys won't know, it's a Grandmaster Flash.
Luke Winder:No, yeah, you guys don't know, sorry, what is that?
Jake Winder:from I was a rapper or a DJ. Oh okay. Yeah, producer. No, don't know. The DJ's master flash. All right anyway.
John Wood:Yeah, so I One day I woke up at like three in the morning and I was like dude, I don't know what I'm doing right now with your life, with my life, right, I was teaching at the time and I just didn't really want to teaching school. Yeah, I was an elementary PE teacher.
Jake Winder:Runs in the rice family Yep.
John Wood:Yep and like it was, it was fine, like I, I did have a good time doing it, but I I just knew I didn't want to do it long term and I looked at myself in the mirror. I'm like I am not gonna leave this spot until I tell myself what I want to do and it was like this in the mirror there you shirt off. I can neither confirm nor deny that, but I was looking myself in the eye In the mirror just one of the eyes in the mirror in the mirror you're Staring at myself in the mirror, have you?
Jake Winder:ever tried to look at yourself in the mirror, in the eyes? Yeah, it's interesting.
Luke Winder:It's a good time.
Jake Winder:I've tried it a couple times. It's Kind of yeah anyway.
John Wood:Yeah, I was like, dude, I want to be like in movies, hmm. And so I Just like started looking up like how, how to get into, like how to be an actor or stuff like that. And then I found, like this casting site and I saw this audition that was in Chicago that weekend. So I drove to Chicago and it was for Marvel Universe live. It was like this traveling Tour where it's like it's like Disney on ice, but with Marvel characters and fight each other and and like in stadiums and stuff. And I went out for it and I got it and so I was Star Lord from Guardians of the Galaxy.
Jake Winder:I don't know what that is. I don't know anything about that. Trevor, you know what Star Lord is?
Luke Winder:Chris Pratt plays in the movies, so he's not the little wreck.
Jake Winder:Who no what?
John Wood:Guardians of the Galaxy was like you were.
Luke Winder:Chris Pratt.
John Wood:I was Chris Pratt's character.
Luke Winder:Yeah, that's what's up, that's what.
John Wood:So, but like we did these, uh, so it'd be like performing, right, but I wasn't like mic'd up because there were like 50 different people. It was like all Marvel characters so we had to use like voiceovers and stuff. So my voiceover was Like the the older brother, I'm like saved by the bell. No, no, on. Boy meets world. On boy meets world the older brother.
Luke Winder:Wait, you guys were doing.
John Wood:I was like performing and I would like it was lip syncing.
Jake Winder:Yeah, yeah, and there's another person doing the but no, it was pre-recorded.
John Wood:Oh, so I just had to memorize the lines and then, like, do this.
Luke Winder:But or you ever played it like super high pitch.
John Wood:So it was like hey guys here, star Lord in the house, so embarrassing.
Jake Winder:How many people are at these things? Do you know?
John Wood:it would like like fill up stadiums, like it would be like.
Luke Winder:So like if you like indoor arena, so like if you went to like all state arena would fill that up. Oh wow. So it's like like or like theaters like you'd be on, like theater in theaters and stuff. I assume it'd be like.
John Wood:No, it'd be like like hockey arenas and like oh.
Jake Winder:Yeah, so like all, yeah, I'll stay have you ever been to Disney on ice or seen it?
Luke Winder:No, but I've been to all state arena yeah that's legit. That's a lot of people, that's like 10,000 or more is that over 10,000?
Jake Winder:That's gotta be over 9,000.
John Wood:It's gotta be over 9,000 at least.
Jake Winder:That's crazy. So it's not like medieval times.
John Wood:No, it was. It was a lot bigger Okay medieval times is pretty big right.
Luke Winder:I love medieval times. Yeah, medieval times yeah.
John Wood:We were at so that was like I want to get back to this, but we were at medieval times and my daughter, my daughter, my oldest daughter.
Jake Winder:We were sitting there eating the thing and and everyone's quiet around, just watching the show and then, like the dude would like, they would be fighting and the dude would like go down and Lacey would stand up and just go off with his. That's hilarious just kept screaming it like multiple times, like did lazy stuff.
John Wood:Off with his head.
Jake Winder:It was so funny, dude.
Luke Winder:That's hilarious.
Jake Winder:Okay, so back in this so you start traveling around with this Marvel.
John Wood:Like Marvel Universe, live is.
Jake Winder:This is this like a nationwide thing.
John Wood:Yeah, yeah, so it was a nationwide thing when I started on with it. They did like some international tours as well, but this was gonna be like the US tour, yeah, so I started with that. I was only with them for a few months because I my knee was pretty nice yeah.
Luke Winder:Um, but it was a really cool experience, I mean so your knee was so bad that you couldn't like cuz you.
John Wood:Yeah, I remember one day like we finished we finished doing it and I was like walking off To like go and get changed and stuff. And dude, I was like dragging my leg like limping, and one of the producers saw me and they're like what are you doing right now?
Jake Winder:Do they ever put those guys on like juice or anything, like like Stem cells or like no, they get juiced up or anything probably should have, though I mean, I mean you, it's like professional wrestling. You got to get in the ring right, you got to figure it out quickly, can you explain your Shameless thing like the show shameless, yeah.
Luke Winder:So I mean, I don't know what. I didn't do much on there. All right, I'll be shameless.
John Wood:No, this guy is. This is lit famous, all right, so so after, after that happened.
John Wood:I came back and I started getting into like stunts, so on, shameless. I wasn't actually doing stunts at the time, but I did meet the Chicago PD stunt director on there and that was like a good connection for that. So I was just doing stand-in for lip Okay. So Jeremy Allen white on there and I was just like I would go in and you know they would set up the cameras and stuff and like I'd go through it and walk the direction and things like that. But then eventually started getting into the stunts and things like that. So I did do a fight scene with him, though once in the bear.
John Wood:With Jeremy Allen white.
Luke Winder:Oh really, yeah, last episode of the bear.
John Wood:Wait, it was like this yeah, so I'm wait, actually yeah, yeah.
Luke Winder:But this is like amber, like loves that show. Yeah, I got a teller, I got, we got a look for you Last episode of season one.
John Wood:That's actually hilarious. Amber's gonna love it even more now.
Luke Winder:I gotta remember to tell her about that.
Jake Winder:What did you do like it's?
John Wood:just like Dude the things. That's crazy is we rehearse this whole fight scene and then you know, you get to it on the day and they end up scrapping it and they're just like all right, just uh, just kind of yeah.
John Wood:Yeah. So then you know they're like all right, just tussle here and go over here and and do this, and we're like okay, and that's just kind of how it happens. But yeah, we like we do this little fight and then like he comes in and we're like Like breaking it up, and then someone gets punched and it's like, oh, shoot, like this got serious, like this person just got knocked out, hold on.
Jake Winder:No, that was the scene, and scene and scene that's why oh man, that's super cool.
Luke Winder:So they have you like where the wig like to make your hair look like his uh, no, no, no, not when I was on that um. Yeah, you're like the same, like size and like.
John Wood:Yeah, it was just. It was just like.
Luke Winder:Yeah, I think like cameras set so he doesn't have to waste and skin color and stuff was similar, Mm-hmm Um by the little bit the same biceps. We're not the same. We're not the same, it's a little bit taller than him, right Is he?
Jake Winder:really short. Pretty, he's pretty short. Yeah, over over five feet. Oh my gosh man. Yeah, that's crazy. I've always thought like whenever we were talking about I, I actually on my phone last night I was searching through pictures for some sort of thing and there was a screenshot of the first text I sent to you in 21. That was like hey, are you still interested in coaching at rise?
Jake Winder:Because I had asked you like a couple times before that and you were like no, I'm doing the acting, I'm doing the acting. And then I Reached out again and on that one it was yeah, I'm interested, when do you want to talk? And it's just, it's just pretty, pretty wild. And I, whenever I started reaching out to you, I had that in my back, like in the back of my head, because I was like, okay, he's doing like all of these acting and things like that. And then you used to make those videos with your dad's, mom and dad's Do you have all of the dojo?
John Wood:Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, that's a dojang, I swear.
Luke Winder:Now we're just making up stuff.
Jake Winder:Is that Japanese?
John Wood:I don't know Bojangles Dojang.
Jake Winder:So what's the difference between a dojo and a dojang?
John Wood:Dojo is Japanese and a dojang is Korean. And.
Jake Winder:Taekwondo is Korean. Really, I didn't know that. Huh, yeah, okay.
Luke Winder:I think I knew that. So anyway, yes, you started making this, I just John. His family used to go to Korea, south Korea, dude to be clear.
John Wood:Yeah, I'm the only one who hasn't actually. Yeah, it's very disappointing.
Luke Winder:Yeah, my dad took all my brother used to like every year or or at least he did one time like in college he went Casey's, his brother I vaulted in college with, but I remember him being like yeah, we're going to Korea.
Jake Winder:Why didn't you get to go?
John Wood:I don't know, that was the disappointment apparently.
Luke Winder:Dude had to run the bojangle or whatever.
Jake Winder:Yeah, that's why I didn't know that but you used to make these videos and I used to like they used to be really funny and like I was just like you know what they. But they started progressively like just getting Better and you started like using more like special effects and stuff like that, and I was like I always wanted like a media component to rise and I was like you know, you might look at that and Think like, oh, that's just silly, or whatever. Those same skills they transferred directly over, oh yeah, to any sort of editing and filming and things like that. And then couple that up with All of the stuff that you learned like doing with acting and stuff like that, I was like man, he would be probably really, really Good at wanting to do that and I was like you know, if he knows how to coach, then that's, that's a really good option. And then I remember sitting you down and just being like alright, because we were. We were like alright, well, how could you get a salary? Like how could we justify it or whatever? And In my head I was like, well, we got a. We got to bring in you know this much money to be able to cover wood salary and and it should probably be more money than would cover his salary, and all of these different things kept going through my head and we were like, well, you could sell poles, you could. You could do this, you could do that, you can do that.
Jake Winder:And then eventually, like I just got tired of it and I was like, why am I doing this? And like, why, why are we doing this? And I was like I want the people who come here and work here to like find it fulfilling. And so I just sat down and I was like, if you could do one thing, what would it be? And you were like I want to like produce content. And I was like, all right, and I was like I don't know how we're gonna make any money doing that. But I was like, if it's something that you want to do, you're going to do a good job at it, where, if you're doing something that you don't like doing, then it's just like you're not gonna, it's just gonna be garbage and you're just gonna show up and be like, oh, I gotta do this again. So that was really, really cool. Whenever you, you took that on and and I think that that added like a whole new dimension To what we do here. Man.
Luke Winder:Here's a quick fact we had less than 2,000 followers on Instagram a year ago. Today, yeah, and we have like right at 9,000 now we got over over 9,000 or over 9,000 folks.
Jake Winder:Yep, yep, and honestly, it's all because of wood. Man, like you literally just took it and Just made it into something really cool and I always tell you this all the time Whether it becomes something that is, like, you know, helps us out financially or not, it's just cool and like, whenever I see it, I'm like that made my day better. Well and there's no doubt that and that's worth a lot.
Luke Winder:That many more eyes on Rise is a reason why more people come here and more people go to our meats. More people want to represent us with merch. More people want to buy polls from us, like there's Countless ways where that content even if, like directly post in the video, doesn't make money that it benefits us both as Financially, but also it's just like a brand of wanting to grow our name more right, just like marketing.
Jake Winder:At the end of the day, yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and. Then there just wasn't any. I mean, after Sean, like Sean did his Sean Francis is, you know, did a great job and still does a great job with Like his content and stuff, but they're just there's more space for more people to do it and like it we talked a lot about wasn't anything there like that.
Jake Winder:You could just be like alright, I'm gonna log on to Instagram and I'm gonna find high quality content about the thing that I like to do, which is pole vaulting. And you had really one option and it was Sean, you know, and he, he's awesome, but I was just like man, if you're a, if you play football, you got a million options of things that you can go and look and watch and you have like hardly any Options in the pole vault, just like.
Jake Winder:So I mean, my thing is is like and and the cool thing about with your, your stuff is, I've seen a direct correlation with when you started producing high quality content, pole vault content for rise. Other gyms and clubs are like you know what? 100%. That's awesome. Let's do that too, and that's what we want. We want more people to be like alright, let's produce really good content that people like to consume and and, like I said, just makes their day better and has something for a pole vault or to be a fan of. You know.
Luke Winder:Yeah, and short form too, like we had talked about that a lot, where we produce long-form stuff every once in a while, but if you want a high school kid to digest it, it has to be short form in 2023, 2024, like it's it.
Luke Winder:That's just the nature of like, where tick tock, instagram, all YouTube, even like YouTube shorts. All of it is very short form and so we wanted something that kids can also go on and, like you said, like a football player can quickly go on and See a quick tip about how to get better at a certain thing on route running. But there isn't that for pole vault and I. We wanted people to be able to scroll through and not just see you know, it's cool to see Mando jump a world record or somebody do a cool slow-mo vault but also be able to have some content that's educational in that way. That's like quick to the point. You know, obviously, some other stuff that we need to go into detail for we put into a long form, but quick tips and stuff like that is something that's never been in the pole vault world and.
Luke Winder:Now I think you know John's the one kind of running that show.
Jake Winder:That's been a really hard a Thing to figure out is, at the beginning we were like, yeah, let's do a lot of long form, you know stuff like in depth, let's let the people know like what it is that like exactly they need to do. And we started to do that. And then it was just like dude, and you can see all the analytics, like dude, people are swiping out of this like crazy. They don't know, they don't want it. And so then we would come to John and we because we all come to him with like ideas we're like, hey, we should do a video on this or we should do a video on this. And then usually you're like, yeah, man, let's do it. And then you pitch them the idea and then it's like, okay, yeah, and John will be like, yeah, that's, that's a great idea. How can we get that down to six seconds?
Luke Winder:Yeah it's like minimum effective dose. It's like we always say.
Jake Winder:I Remember when you said that you were like yeah, you got like six to eight seconds max, and I'm like I'm gonna get all this six to eight seconds because you're always make me retake stuff too I, because I talk so much. You would just be like, alright, dude, yeah, that was great, great take.
John Wood:You got to cut out 90% of what you see.
Jake Winder:You got the.
Luke Winder:PE teacher in you, so like there was times where I would be behind John like watching you do it, and it'd be one where you're walking down the runway saying like hey guys, you know it's Jake here at Rise Pole Vault and John would be like dude. You already have to have the video done by the time.
John Wood:You just finished your name. You know, it's so hard. It's gotten a lot better, though I remember the amount of takes we had to do was insane at the beginning.
Luke Winder:Yeah.
John Wood:We really all try to do it in one take. Yeah, sometimes you get the giggles though.
Luke Winder:Dude, that's what's funny. You get the giggles. John and I the other day we were trying to film something and he stumbled on the word visual. There we go on the word visualization Right. And we, just, it was like I felt like Will Ferrell and like whoever just like could not stop laughing and we just, every time we got to a point I was like smirking behind the camera and he would just be like, dude, put it together, like hold it together, and we just like couldn't do it, so we had to put it on the back burner.
Luke Winder:and then we showed up the next day and it still like he said it correctly and we still were just like.
Jake Winder:Hey, you're so patient too. You're so patient with us too, like that was. One thing that was hard for me is I felt like I was letting you down every time I was about to have a take.
John Wood:No.
Jake Winder:And you just were like, hey, that's all right, man, just let's do it again. And then you know, you just, if I say something and you're like, hey, man, that was good, but we just got to run it back one more time, and it's crazy, like people I don't think people realize how much goes into it Like for that little bit of you know of content, like there's a lot that goes into it, man, and like there's a lot that like you to be consistent with something, it's really tough. It's just like the podcast. The podcast is so hard to be consistent with man, it's so difficult because there's you got to find people and you got to schedule them and you got to, you know, do all this stuff. And it's really crazy.
Jake Winder:It looks on the outside like filming, social media stuff, Like I'm going to do that, yeah, I'm going to do, I'm going to do that. But then once you start, it's like holy cow, man, this is a full time job, like literally. Like that's like what wood does you know? Like you coach too, obviously, but it's crazy how much time it takes to be able to do it. And sometimes, like we come in and we're like, oh man, I don't know if I really want to film anything Like could you just get the camera out of my face right now? But it's just like no, can't get the camera out of my face, like you got to just keep rolling.
Luke Winder:We're out of content, Like if it's like, hey, no, we're coming up on like the last couple of videos of content and John's like dude, we got to film like three or four things today and that's just kind of how it is. It's like all right, well, one take it, try to, you know, and if you can one take it, you cut off half the time.
Jake Winder:Yeah, we have gotten a lot more efficient with it, though.
John Wood:I think another thing, too, is just being comfortable behind the camera, and your own ability to come out and express and act is something that people don't understand is pretty hard.
Jake Winder:Yeah, like you got so many good ideas and then, once that camera turns on, it's just I don't know why I don't know why. Either it's like I'm looking at the camera right now and it's just like intimidating.
Luke Winder:Just looking right back at you.
Jake Winder:Yeah, like wood looking at himself in the eyes in the mirror.
John Wood:I ain't moving.
Jake Winder:Yeah, so how long did?
John Wood:you stay there Not that long, actually probably like four or five minutes. Wait so the mirror yeah.
Luke Winder:Oh my gosh, I thought you meant the whole. Marvel thing? No, looked at himself in the mirror for 45 minutes.
Jake Winder:He's pretty hard. You're pretty hardcore dude Like he's very like, Push it to the next level.
Luke Winder:Yeah, yeah, I just failed a bench. Put five pounds on, yeah.
Jake Winder:He's that kind of guy that, yeah, that's been like that for a long time, man, yeah, but I One of these days we got to get a video on Instagram of John doing his nunchuck routine. I know I've been saying that for a long time.
Luke Winder:Have you ever seen dude do nunchucks? No, have they tall enough?
Jake Winder:Dude like this guy is. It's insane. He'll mess you up with nunchucks 100% Like those people that you see. If you've ever seen somebody be like.
Luke Winder:Throw it up in the air, do like a back flip, catch it and you ever seen Bruce Lee?
Jake Winder:He does all that, basically the same thing.
Luke Winder:You're gonna have somebody listening like come and challenge you someday. Basically the same dude.
John Wood:I'll be ready. Do you still got it? I'll be waiting.
Luke Winder:At Reno. Reno 2024, catch me outside. How about that?
Jake Winder:Bring your nunchucks. Actually don't, please don't.
Luke Winder:Not feel that on the flight.
Jake Winder:You remember?
Luke Winder:You and I and Josh, for some reason all came home from a trip to Tennessee with nunchucks.
Jake Winder:Yeah, we got nunchucks and you got, like crystal ones, crystal nunchucks.
Luke Winder:Wow, they were like A switchblade. They had a switchblade like an illegal switchblade.
John Wood:They were inside the nunchucks. No, no, no, no, there was. We all got like. I got a pair of nunchucks.
Luke Winder:Josh got a pair of nunchucks. Jake got a pair of nunchucks that were like crystal in glass.
Jake Winder:It was in pigeon forge. We were coming back from the Smoky Mountains and like we stopped in pigeon forge and there was. I think it was pigeon forge, it was either that or Gallenberg and the big warehouse they got. I mean it's Tennessee man. It literally said like knives nunchucks guns Throwing stars, throwing stars.
Luke Winder:And it didn't even have a name of the store, it just was called like stun guns, throwing stars and knives and more.
Jake Winder:And you just walk in it's like a jewelry shop.
Luke Winder:you know it's like glass cases and you're just like hey look at the nunchucks, let me see those crystal ones over there, let me see the crystal nunchucks, crystal glass nunchucks. Bad If you get that by those.
Jake Winder:Could you do like do? You just use the phone ones, don't you?
John Wood:No, I have the wooden ones yeah.
Luke Winder:The wooden ones. That makes sense. That's his last name.
John Wood:The thing is like those crystal ones, though, or like really. You get like, if you want to make them look good, you get like the plastic ones that are like that have some sort of flashy or like reflective surface on them, or like holographic surface. So it shines and then it's like yeah it shines and every time it like passes through the light just looks like it goes way faster.
Jake Winder:I mean these, I might still have them. They are, they're mom and dad's, I'm pretty sure.
Luke Winder:They are legit yeah.
Jake Winder:And then yeah, so I came back with the crystal. Nun Chuck's throwing stars.
Luke Winder:I have. I straight up have the throwing stars at my house.
Jake Winder:Yeah, I have throwing stars at my house and throwing, and I asked if I would get a stun gun, but mom and dad wouldn't let me.
Luke Winder:Well, that's what's funny is like I was probably seven or eight, but I got throwing knives for some reason. And I got, I got I have a set of three throwing knives and I will post them on my story if I find them, but they're at my house right now. Don't post them on your story, that would look really Just like.
Jake Winder:Hey, here's my throwing.
Luke Winder:Look at myself in the mirror. Look at myself in the eyes in the mirror with a couple of throwing knives.
Jake Winder:That would be a little off brand. Yeah it would be like all pull of all that content.
Luke Winder:Throwing, knives Throwing. And then here's another jump from today.
John Wood:So my parents do a tournament every year and you know what they give his prizes, crystal To little kids. They give live swords like sharp swords, like real, like real.
Jake Winder:Yeah, they had swords. At this place too, they had swords. They had the ball and chain, like the stick, the flail stick with the chain, and but it had spikes on the ball.
Luke Winder:Yeah.
Jake Winder:What is?
Luke Winder:it Is it a mace Mace they had. I think no, it should be a flail, I think because the mace is without the chain. Yeah, they had like the battle axis, battle axis for sure, good stuff.
Jake Winder:Well, cause you're? You're good at what's it called gumdo.
John Wood:Gumdo is a swords, yeah.
Jake Winder:Yeah.
John Wood:Cause remember in college.
Jake Winder:You, I was like, just bring the swords over and we'll fight with swords.
John Wood:I was like try to hit me.
Jake Winder:And yeah, you were like yeah, try to. It was in my dorm room. Yeah, here's your sword, here's my sword In the dorm room.
Luke Winder:Try to do our central, try to hit.
Jake Winder:And I was like. I was like, are you sure? And I tried to hit him. I really tried to take his head off. No, wow, and this dude had me. I mean, he would have sliced me up.
Luke Winder:I would have been done.
Jake Winder:I would have been diced I would have been done. Yeah, that's, that is cool, see. Yeah, you probably didn't know about his like whole background and martial arts and stuff.
Luke Winder:He's a real martial artist. That's either all true or he's doing a Theo von Bit, yeah yeah.
Jake Winder:Yeah, that, that pigeon fort. Yeah, if you ever Tennessee that's a good spot.
John Wood:They can kind of just do kind of whatever they want.
Jake Winder:Yeah, you don't find those in Chicago land.
Luke Winder:No, I don't think they have like taxes down there or something.
Jake Winder:They've it's property tax or something Different place, that's for sure. Beautiful country though.
Luke Winder:Hey, two best jumpers in the nation right now are going to Tennessee.
Jake Winder:Yeah, paul, paul and Maya, yeah, Paul will be able to get as many nunchucks as he wants. Get as whole dorm full. I wonder what would happen if you did. Would TSA allow? I don't think they would allow nunchucks. Have you ever flown with your nunchucks? I think I have.
John Wood:I feel like I have Not in your carry on. No not in the carry on. No, I don't think yeah.
Jake Winder:That would be a pretty dumb thing. To try to take a plane over with, yeah no.
John Wood:I've put them in my, in my, like just suitcase it.
Luke Winder:Yeah.
Jake Winder:Yeah, that's what's up. Yeah, cause you can fly with just about anything. So, trevor, you got any. Yeah, what any? Nunchuck stories Any what's something, what's it?
Luke Winder:like in Michigan, grand Rapids, michigan, big, big Trev the plug running the mean streets of Grand Rapids baby, I don't know.
John Wood:It's nice. It's nice there. I like Grand Rapids. It's a pretty good spot.
Luke Winder:It's a little snowy with a lake effect. Snow, yeah Right now, I don't know oh.
Jake Winder:I haven't been there in a while. We used to go up to Grand Valley and every time we would go to Grand Valley it would just be like three feet of snow.
Luke Winder:Oh yeah.
Jake Winder:Dude, I got a good Michigan story. I tried to backpack in the middle of the winter in January in Northern Michigan three feet of snow, negative 10 real temperature. So with Crow, with my old high school coach, yeah, we just started backpacking out there and I was like it's gonna be fine. He was freaked out, like really scared. He was like Jake I just am telling you right now, we were like pretty far out there into the trip and in the woods sun's starting to go down and he was like dude, I don't wanna admit this but I'm just letting you know like I'm legitimately scared right now. Are we? Is this gonna be okay? And I was like, yeah, it'll be fine, it's.
Jake Winder:You know, we got sleeping bags and all that stuff and I remember laying in my tent that night and the whole entire inside of the tent is covered in ice, like it's all ice, so it's like you're sleeping in like a little ice hut. And I gave him my zero degree sleeping bag. So you know, I wanted to make sure he was good and I did not have my sleeping bag, was not able to handle it, and I just started just jackhammering in the middle of the night and I woke up and was just couldn't control my shivering. Get out a thermometer, put it under my armpit and I brought a thermometer with, just because I didn't want it to know, like if my body temperature was gonna be getting too low. And it was below 97. And I was like we need to get out of here, man, and so I woke him up and I was like we're gonna need to hike out.
Jake Winder:Woke up at two in the morning, packed up all of our stuff and hiked out of there. Yeah, michigan gets cold. Michigan's beautiful though, man. I love Michigan, but they don't have the same sorts of stores like that in Michigan.
Luke Winder:Yeah, I've noticed that since coming to Illinois that it's a lot sunnier. Like I don't know, if it's the lake or something, but it's just like the last couple of years in Michigan it's been cloudy like probably like six months out of the year is cloudy and like if there's a rainy day, here, it's rainy for like a couple hours and then it clears up and then it's sunny by the end of the day.
Luke Winder:And in Michigan, if it's rainy, it's rainy, it's like cloudy and gray for like three days, and it's like rain on and off. That's why I feel that too, cause, like whenever we go on, like our salmon trip, I just feel like it was always gloomy, like it was never really sunny.
John Wood:No, no, no, but that's kind of the fun in it.
Luke Winder:It's like from July and August are sunny, and then those are the months that you can like count on sun, and then the rest of the year is like hit or miss if it's gonna be like sunny and warm, right right, how have you been liking living in Chicago?
Jake Winder:It's nice.
Luke Winder:I like it. I like the city's nice too. We're in the Gold Coast, we're just north of like downtown and it's a good spot where we're like just close enough where we can like go and do stuff in the city. But it's not like we're in the city and there's like cars everywhere and people everywhere and stuff like that. There's always something to do, man.
Jake Winder:Oh yeah.
Luke Winder:Always something to do there. Yeah, there's a lot of fun winter, like Christmas things that are going on right now too.
Jake Winder:Yeah, there's like a mart.
Luke Winder:Yeah me and. Liv went there a couple of weeks ago. It was pretty sweet.
Jake Winder:Yeah.
Luke Winder:We were gonna buy an ornament for our tree. It was like 50 bucks. It was like a little. It was nice. I liked it, but it was like a clay stocking and it was like hand painted and it's like, oh, it's like it's pretty nice. I'd pay probably like five or six bucks for it, but it's gonna be expensive, so it'd be like $15. That's fine and we get to the counter and guys like that'll be $27.
John Wood:I'm like this thing's like four inches big dude.
Luke Winder:Yeah, it's hefty pricing over there the hot chocolate there is like 150 bucks. No, it's like the hot chocolate. There is like 10 bucks or something like that I think I paid nine for mine.
John Wood:It was $4 to get a marshmallow and the hot chocolate. Actually, did you go recently?
Luke Winder:Yeah, I didn't get the marshmallow $4 for a marshmallow and the hot chocolate man.
Jake Winder:I'd pay it though get a bag of marshmallows for $4. Yeah, that's true, but you got like a really cool setup, like you got like the rooftop on your apartment and stuff like that.
Luke Winder:Yeah, my girlfriend lived did a really good job of like searching for a place for us, and this one that we got is like just a regular apartment building but they just have a rooftop and it's like right in between North Ave Beach and Oak Street Beach and so we just have like a great view of the water and the city and we can see the Hancock Tower and stuff. And go up there in the summer is super nice, Just like lay it in the sun for a few hours.
Luke Winder:Yeah there's a lot of people who would pay like a very high price to have that, so I don't know how much you're paying, but probably ridiculous.
Jake Winder:It's not ridiculous, but like that's pretty good, it's more than I want to pay.
Luke Winder:Yeah, pretty good to have like a rooftop, especially in like Chicago, Chicago, like you're in the city where you could see all that stuff. That's pretty sweet. It's also nice being right on the water too, because I can walk across Lake Shore and just hop in the lake.
Jake Winder:That's what I say Get that little ice bath going.
John Wood:Have you been?
Luke Winder:keeping up with that.
Jake Winder:No, I was about to say I've been taking cold showers, gotcha.
Luke Winder:Taking cold showers in the morning. But yeah, the lake's a little bit harder to get into than I thought yeah, there was like a stint.
Jake Winder:I've been doing it like once a week.
Luke Winder:I remember there was a stint where you were like doing it like pretty regularly, like a couple of times a week maybe. And then there was like the week where it was like 20 for some reason and I came in and I was like like Trev, you hit the lake today.
Jake Winder:And he was like no, not today.
Luke Winder:It's just that if I could walk out my apartment and be on the beach, I'd do that every morning. But the fact that I have to walk, it's like a five minute walk and it's probably like a 10 minute total like travel time to get to the just getting out of my apartment building and stuff, and so it's just enough time where I can really think about how cold it's gonna be when I get in the water.
John Wood:And it just sucks the whole time. The 10 minute travel back up to like back up to the apartment with the wind blowing.
Luke Winder:Yeah, I wanted to do it like in before it got really cold. I was like I'm doing this every morning, and then it got really cold and I was like I'm doing this once a week.
Jake Winder:Yeah, it's tough man, Just keeping up with the cold. Cold water immersion is difficult.
Luke Winder:Yeah, cause you have a.
Jake Winder:I just got a trough, like a horse trough in my backyard that I go in, and the problem is is like you gotta pay like seven, like five, seven Gs to get like a real nice ice bath that like actually cools it down, and with what I have it's just cooled naturally, so like I just put water in it and then the air, you know, cools it.
Luke Winder:Have you been doing it again?
Jake Winder:Yeah, but the problem yeah, I do it pretty regularly, probably like three, four times a week, I would say. But the problem is is that once it starts to get too cold, then the ice on top like you can't crack through it. So it's just like you can crack through like a couple inches of ice, no problem, and just break it all up and then and then jump in. But once it starts to get like four inches of ice on top of it, like you're not gonna be able to do it. So what I've heard is you could put a bunch of salt in it like have some salt or something like that, and then it will lower the temperature that it would freeze at.
Luke Winder:Yeah, wouldn't that make the water like really like dangerously cold though?
Jake Winder:Right, and that's what I'm nervous about. Okay, yeah, yeah.
Luke Winder:It's like the ocean, though. Probably right, or is that why it gets colder? Like if you add salt to it or I don't know.
Jake Winder:No it just. It just lowers I'm not a chemist, but like it lowers the temperature that the water would freeze at.
Luke Winder:So instead of like 32, it'd be like 28 degrees, and so the water can sit at liquid at 30 degrees instead of 32 or 33.
Jake Winder:And supposedly there's not a lot of evidence saying that anything below 50 degrees does anything more for you Like that's supposedly.
Luke Winder:that's what I've read is that I don't know what the lifetime one is that I use, but it's probably 45 or something like that. Yeah, I think like 45 is probably really good.
Jake Winder:You just wanna shock yourself, you just wanna shock yourself, and your body releases those hormones and does all the processes, that hormesis, that process of hormesis, and then, after that's done, whether if that happens at 50 degrees or if that happens at 36 degrees, it doesn't like it already happened.
Luke Winder:You know, yeah, like it's cold, it's just it's not, it's like really cold. But I've had ice baths where I like filled it up with way too much ice, yeah. And then I'm sitting in there and like your toes start like actually like tingling and you're like wondering what's going on with it Like it doesn't get that cold. I don't really like that feeling either. That's kind of freaky.
Jake Winder:The thing with the ice, too, that I run into is like I, my life, you guys know, like it's just high stress man, like what I do and like the things that I'm involved with, and then I have a family as well like it's just super high stress. So my body is just under stress majority of every day. Actually, Aura started tracking daytime stress, which is really funny to look at when you look at mine, because it has this metric engaged. So it's like engaged or relaxed, activated, engaged, engaged and stressed, and you shouldn't peek out over that stress one like too often. And, dude, I'm hovering like right over that stress like a lot of the day.
Jake Winder:And so the reason I'm saying that is because if you're gonna, you're already stressed in your normal life and then you're going to go and intentionally stress your body more by getting in the ice and then you're gonna stress your body more by working out, and then, all of a sudden, your body is just like stressed the whole day. You know like, and so your level of stress just gets so crazy. And so what I've always wondered is like, what's the balance with that? Because if you intentionally stress that body, you're not only stressing, you're stressing your immune system too, whenever you get into that cold. And so I always wonder if, like, maybe I'm on the borderline of getting sick or something and then I go in the cold, if that was the thing that pushed me over the edge, you know, to make it a full blown sickness instead of just something that might have just like withered away if I wouldn't have done it, and that's why I was.
Jake Winder:I don't know if I. I know I was talking to you about it, luke, was. It's just so funny, like I didn't work out one time last year, like last year I was just working on this place, that was my workout, you know, I was just not working out, no lifting weights, no, nothing, man, it was just a sloth in that department and I didn't get sick one time. And then I started consistently working out this year and I've been sick two times in one month, you know. And so you just like you forget that working out, working out is I'm not saying working out is bad for you, of course, but working out stresses your immune system.
Luke Winder:You know, yeah, you gotta be able to plan for that and try to not overdo it. Yeah, if you can't, that's the hard thing.
Jake Winder:Well, and that's why, like with you guys, with I was talking with, are we good, are we good on video?
John Wood:It might be overheating.
Jake Winder:Okay, that's okay, we got the audio, so that is what it is. So I was talking with this girl the other day after class and there's this girl and her mom and she was like, yeah, like I don't know what to do, like how many days I should jump at rise and how many days I should jump at my school and how I should do their training and stuff like that, and I've got all this school work and I work a job and all of these things. And she was like, man, and it's just so hard because I just get sick all the time, like I just constantly get sick and I'm like well, that's because you what I was just talking about you're just completely stressing yourself to the point to where your immune system, your cup's too full and it's just overflowing and like your immune system's like well, I can protect you up to a certain point, but if you stress me beyond that point, I'm gonna crack. You know. And I told her I was like well, the reason that the guys who I trained, trevor and Luke, squat once a week is because I'm trying to mitigate that too much stress. You know, like you squat once a week, you squat early in the week and you. It's a violent movement, especially if you put on a lot of weight Like you.
Jake Winder:The other day I walked past the wreck. I'm like holy cow, dude, that's a lot of weight. And immediately after he's done Trevor's done with his workout I was like, hey, how have you been feeling? Like? How's your body been feeling? Like you feel beat down at all, or do you feel like this or that? Because what I'm looking for is I'm looking for if you start to feel beat down because you did that squat workout, you're gonna need seven days to bounce back from that to squat again, you know. But the problem is a lot of people are under the assumption that more is better. So they squat on Monday, squat a lot of weight, then they squat again on Wednesday and then they deadlift on Friday and it's like what do you and they vaulted on Tuesday and Thursday.
Jake Winder:And they vaulted on Tuesday and Thursday and they sprinted in between there and they benched in between there and they did pull-ups.
Luke Winder:And they did pull-ups but they're still not doing enough and they're working a job and they're doing all of these things.
Jake Winder:And then they're like, yeah, I don't think I'm doing enough. What should I do? And then this is what they really don't wanna hear. You should stop training so much. It's like how could that get me better? How could that get me better? Guarantee if you reduce your load by 60%. Guarantee you start faulting. Better Guarantee you don't get sick as often, if at all. You know it's just they're doing-.
Luke Winder:Focused reps 90% Rept versus, just like Rips 90% of people out there are just doing too much yeah just doing too much, man, you're not a bodybuilder like.
Jake Winder:If you're a bodybuilder, okay, yeah, maybe you squat twice a week. Or maybe you're a power lifter Okay, maybe. Maybe they're still, they're not.
Luke Winder:They're not, though, no, like a power lifter is trying to lift heavy weight knows if they're good enough. They know it takes Seven to ten days to recover from like a heavy deadlift workout.
Jake Winder:Yeah you know or like, but these people these people think I'm gonna squat on Monday and then squat on Wednesday. It's like why? Why can't I jump very well? You squat it like you're squatting too much. I took a day off, a day, dude. It takes a long time for your body to repair. It's just we're under this assumption that, like, if you have a good night's sleep and then don't, and then rest one day, that everything's fine.
John Wood:I had someone yesterday that the prior week she was a little bit off. I asked her what she did. She said she maxed out her squat. I was like, okay, Well, that's what's going on, Right. Don't don't do that before you get here, right? And then this week her steps way off and I'm like what'd you do before this? She's like well, I maxed out power clean.
Luke Winder:The tough part is that even if you're not sore from that and you come in the next day and you're like, oh, like my legs aren't sore, my body's not sore, I'm feeling good, I'm ready to go, your central nervous system is still like getting fried from those workouts. That's like the main. I would say that's probably the main thing because I've, I could show up to a workout and sometimes be a little sore if I there, you know, but if my central nervous system because I just hit like a Season's best PR and squat and power clean in the same week and I'm leading into a Friday vault day, like I need to just understand what to expect, you know and like, understand, okay, hey, this is gonna be. That's why we do a Really chill vault day on Fridays. But yeah, exactly like you could be a little sore.
Luke Winder:But if you're coming in sore and you just hit your central nervous system to its max, like Do you think that if you're sore, your central nervous system is not taxed?
Jake Winder:If you're sore, that's an indicator your body's like, hey, you're not gonna be performing at your best. You know, I'm trying to repair all those muscles that you broke up the other day. And the other thing that's scary that that with me personally, that I have felt and dealt with a lot in my athletic career is the way that my body works. Like some people it seems like maybe they they react this way and some people don't but Dom's delayed onset, muscle soreness, I Will squat. The next day, I will feel nothing, zero, and Then the following day I Will completely be crushed. It's so crazy like it really happens like that. For me it is one day delay like, and I and I don't know why that is. I have some theories as to why that is, but that is really scary because you do it and then the next day you wake up and you're like dude, I feel fine, I feel totally fine, and Then you don't realize what's happening in the background.
Jake Winder:So then you go and you train again and then all of a sudden, boom now that now that Sets in and then you're sick, you know, like because you train too much or whatever, and that that's you got a. I think people really need to take away from this that your most likely Unless you're an elite athlete that is being trained by somebody who knows what they're doing you are most likely under training or over training. What do you think the percentages of people in the United States who are over training?
John Wood:For pole balters specifically it's everybody.
Jake Winder:Only average, just every, every athlete is every athlete, every athlete 80 I. Was gonna say 90 80, 90 percent, and the other thing too, and I'm I'll stop my rant here, but the other thing, too, is I've always had a hard time with.
Jake Winder:It's not a knock on college coaches, but there's just this thing when a high school coaches will be like Well, wait till you get to college, wait till you get on a college program, wait till you get on a college program. It may not be like that, but whenever I was younger, it was when you go to college. They just completely Destroy you like. It's just like you show up and it's like okay, we're just going to crush you. Well, this is what a college programs like this is what we do in college.
Luke Winder:I'm like man, that's really wonder why, like some kids, have a hard time transitioning. They have a hard time transitioning college.
Jake Winder:So that that's another thing, too, that it's these kids. They go, they go to college. They they may train hard in high school, but then they go to college and and then in the fall they're doing 300 repies. They're doing like a bunch of back squats, a bunch of these lifts that they maybe have never done before, and their bodies are just getting beat Down, beat down, beat down.
Jake Winder:And then what happens? Whenever your body is beat down, your body thinks that it's dying. And then it's like Okay, every single calorie that you put into me, I am holding on to it as tightly as I possibly can, because I know that I'm going to need it, because you continually are beating the crap out of me. You know what I'm saying. And so then, all of a sudden, it's like what the heck? I'm training really, really hard and I just I'm getting overweight and I'm getting like fat or whatever my freshman year, and it's like you wouldn't think it.
Jake Winder:But if you start training less, your body is going to release those extra calories, because you're sending the signal to your body. When you're training like that super, super hard, every day, day in and day out, you're sending the signal to your body that you are going to encounter a lot of stress tomorrow and your body's going to hold on to reserves so that it makes sure that you have enough energy for the next day. Now, if you tell your body, you send the signal like, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna beat you up a little bit today, and then your body Understands that the next couple days it's not going to undergo that stress, it's gonna be more likely to release. That it's just. It's all about signaling your body. That's what there's.
Luke Winder:Some college coaches out there that do a really good.
Jake Winder:Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Luke Winder:Absolutely doing that.
Luke Winder:I think the hard thing is whenever you're in a program that a lot of the training let's just say a pole valter that a lot of the training that a pole valter specifically needs to do there being Like all of the track athletes are being put in the same program With a strength program, which I understand a little bit because it is a team.
Luke Winder:But you know, then you're not tailoring the program to a, a pole valter, who it kind of matters a lot more to maintain that power to bodyweight ratio and you may not understand that as much as I don't know.
Luke Winder:I mean, it matters a lot with sprinting speed too. I'm not trying to say that it doesn't, but I guess with a pole valter it's like, hey, we need to maintain that high bar strength. It's a lot harder to be really strong in the high bar if you've got 30 extra pounds below your waist because you've been doing five sets of ten or six sets of ten Super heavy squats and your body's like getting torn down. So it makes me feel good whenever we have a valter who comes up to us and wants to go to a college. That's a you we've like known the coach or have a relationship with the coach and that we know that that coach is like specifically training those valters, or at least has a lot of knowledge on what we do and what kind of works for the athletes that got them to where they're at at this point. You know 100%, 100%.
Jake Winder:Yeah, that that split off of like that Would that would be difficult, actually so at Michigan State. So, like, did your pole vault coach talk with your strength coach?
Luke Winder:Yeah, okay, yes, that's the best case scenario I think my freshman and sophomore year my pole vault coach, who was just a jumps coach, wrote all of our weight training for us also, and then either my junior or my senior year he started to work with the like the football trainer, the football strength coach, and so they would like collaborate on our lifts together. That's awesome and that the lifts didn't change a whole lot, but the kind of the programming did where we would kind of be able to Like our sets and reps would move down as we got closer to like the Big Ten meet and nationals and stuff like that, and towards the beginning of the season We'd have like higher reps, higher weight, or higher reps, lower weight, right, I guess it's kind of like what we do with the cycles, where it's four week cycles but it was just stretched out over like the whole indoor season instead of just the four week cycles that we do.
Jake Winder:Right, right, right. Yeah, man, it's crazy. We probably got to get out of here because we have a meet tomorrow and Probably should set up a little couple things, but really quick. So what do you like? Where do we want to go in 24 there, anything? We, we yeah, is there anything I'm just trying to think of, like what are some things, some goals and just some things that we think we want to do in 24?
John Wood:I'd like to do another one of these. Yeah, yeah, and it'd be really cool if we could get a permanent setup With the podcast, with the podcast.
Luke Winder:I'd be cool at the studio.
John Wood:Yeah, I have the studio set up with the couches. Have these things right there, just plug and play.
Jake Winder:Yeah, and we want people. I really with the podcast it. I just am having a hard time with doing them remotely and I just really like all the content that we get whenever it's in person, like the cat arena one, like it just looks nice, it sounds nice, it's not like you're not watching somebody on a webcam, like it just looks a lot better and and I just think the interaction is a lot better too. So that's what I would really like to do is I'd like to try to see if we could get some people, some elites, in here or or you know people that we would find, you know, interesting to talk to. Like get them in here and actually do like a real podcast, like like we're doing now and like we do with cat arena and stuff like that. I also. I also would like To be able to Figure out what we're gonna do with that area over there. So that's just my, that's another one of my no one knows about that.
John Wood:Air, because we don't include it in any of the videos.
Jake Winder:Yeah right, right right.
Luke Winder:I'd like to see if we could get a girl over 14 and a boy over 18 that would be pretty gnarly.
Jake Winder:High school that would be gnarly. I think it's so definitely possible. I.
Luke Winder:Don't know who the boy over 18 would be, but yeah, that would find that out.
Jake Winder:I think that's. That would be difficult. You got to be Grim pretty high. Yeah, you know that you can't be squatting three times a week.
Luke Winder:You can't be squatting seven days a week. I think finding some way to open the schedule up a little bit too. Yeah, getting a third pit or Something like that so that there's more room for people to move around and maybe some more members to come into.
Jake Winder:Yeah, yeah, that's been a tough one. How we that? What's really crazy is we're like a year and a half into this Facility and it's like, hey, how could we make, you know, get more people to be able to jump here, and things like that.
Luke Winder:I think a goal would be to, like you said, just try to see if we can get some more leads to come out and jump here. We haven't had an opportunity really for them to, so that's on us. But like just whether it be a training block of having them out for a week or whatever, or Having a meet of some sort, getting elites into the building and Film and podcast film and you know content and stuff like that. I think that's something that should be, you know, on our honor to do list.
John Wood:Yeah yeah, hey, if any elites want to come out, we will film some good content of you. So if you want some free good content, yeah, come out here.
Jake Winder:Yeah, it would be really really cool. Yeah, I, I Think I think that would be really awesome so we could do like a podcast while they're out here. It would be nice if they, we could do podcasts, we can do content, we can do a whole bunch of cool stuff. I think it would probably have to be like some sort of meat or something like that.
Luke Winder:I was.
Jake Winder:I was thinking the other day to like why don't I have you guys jumping like any of our meats?
Luke Winder:Yeah it's just like who would coach, because we're, you know, you got for us for coaches and we coach, 40% of our coaches would be gone. Yeah 40% of the coaches would be gone, and true that it'd be nice to figure out a way to do that, though, because it would make the most sense. To just have 50%. Yeah, 50%, it'd be nice to have like the summer championships or rise fest. Like have some other, because that's summer champs and rise fest. There's no meats around that time.
Jake Winder:Yeah, yeah, really really good. I think rise fest would be pretty sick.
Luke Winder:Yeah. So it'd be really cool to get people out for that and Try to see if we can can make that happen. And I mean all of our meats have been us atf sanctioned. I know you got to do world athletic sanctioning and stuff like that at times now too, but it's we're doing our best folks.
Jake Winder:Yeah, let's get it going. All right, boys, let's set up for this meet tomorrow.
Luke Winder:All right, thank you guys, thank you.
Jake Winder:It's one more jump podcast. Bye you.