41. Sondre Guttormsen

Fresh off a HUGE 6 meter jump in route to his NCAA Indoor National Championship, Sondre Guttormsen joins the podcast to discuss his incredible indoor season and what his day to day looks like to get him going this high in the air.  Him and his family are incredibly knowledgable in the pole vault and we got into topics such as the support for track and field in Europe vs. USA, overtraining, and much more.

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Jake Winder: (00:00)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the One More Jump podcast by Rise Pole Vault. Today's episode is brought to you by P V R P V R is a state-of-the-art pole rental app that we have been helping develop over the last couple years. And it is next level. It is going to help you manage all of your pole rental needs. It kind of acts like your full-time pole rental employee, uh, managing nearly everything. It's absolutely amazing. Um, if you would like more information on this, you can fill out the form in the description today. We have Sandrey Gut Tomson. He is like the hot topic right now, man. I, he, I mean he jumped six meters at ncaa, so it was really weird. I wast telling my dad the other day, I was like, uh, yeah, I had Sandre to good tomson on. Um, he just jumped six meters at NCAAs and we both kind of just looked at each other and we were like, that's really wild that that's how high they're jumping.

Jake Winder: (01:05)
Then Zach Brantford jumped like 90 something, 91 or something. Um, yeah, it's just next level right now and Sandrey is really putting it together, putting it together. He's had kind of like a, a, a fairytale year this year. Um, he won European indoors. He jumped five 90 for the first time. He jumped six meters and won the NCAA national championship. And yeah, I've talked to him previously and he's always seemed like an awesome dude. Um, but when I get into these conversations with these people, I end up really understanding them a lot more after a long conversation as opposed to me just talking with them in passing. And, uh, Sandrey is super smart. Uh, his family is, is incredible. I talked with his dad a lot at Reno this year and and they're all, all three of of them, Simon Sandre and his dad, they're, they're all very smart in the pole vault and yeah. So Sandrey, thank you so much. I know you're busy. I think you're doing your thesis right now. Uh, he took his time out of, out of doing his thesis and kind of finishing up at Princeton before he heads off to Texas this next year. Um, but yeah, thank you so much for your time and I hope you enjoy this episode of the podcast with


Jake Winder: (02:46)
A kit chill conversation, man. And I'm gonna start the podcast off with a really deep question. Describe what it feels like to pull vault over six meters.

Sondre Guttormsen: (02:59)
I'm just glad I I I get the chance to even a answer that question cuz six meters been like a, I mean, for most pole vault it's like a dream you have that you, you might not think is possible. Um, right. So I mean, just attempt, I've been attempted it now, this was my second time, I guess, um, the first time in New Mexico when I jumped five 90. I think I just kind of was a little overwhelmed with first jumping five 90. It was a big bar too, right. Um, I didn't have any good shots. It was three bales and yeah. But it kind of made my mind like, you know, um, I can't attempt this bar and I've, I've jumped, um, bar similar to it. So, but I guess making, it was, um, a very surreal feeling And um, I think, I think it hops like my, um, my number one like pole vault, um, achievement and emotional like, um, event and whatever. Um, right. And I hadn't, it's been a while since then cuz I think it was like 2018 when I jumped 5 75 PRD by like 15 centimeters was still my highlight for such a long time. Just cuz it was so, it was so crazy cuz I was so young and I prd by so much and, um, not a lot topped at, and then I had like Europeans and six meters back to back, so was like, but six meters definitely. Yeah. I was like crying and hugging Simon and trying to

Jake Winder: (04:28)
you could just see in your eyes too, like, like when, when you hit that pit, there's luckily, there's like really good footage of it too, you know, like it was at national. So there's really good quality footage of it and just, I love watching the way people react to like, big bars like that because you couldn't control what you did afterwards because there was so much joy just that just came out of your body in that moment and it was so cool to, to be able to see that.

Sondre Guttormsen: (05:00)
Yeah, it was, it was amazing for sure.

Jake Winder: (05:03)
. So you did, so like you said you had a few shots at it at, after you made 90 the first time in Albuquerque. But you said you didn't, did you finish one vault at it? Like, did you finish or was it all

Sondre Guttormsen: (05:18)
Bales? No, it was three. It was three, like I'd planned and take off and just ride a pole and land on the pit.

Jake Winder: (05:24)
Really. So like, this is the first time that you really attempted? Yeah,

Sondre Guttormsen: (05:28)
I didn't even make, I didn't even like kind of make the pole because I made the pole. Like I went, I had a good jump on the, the, the jump before at five 90, um, the first time I ever jumped on that pole. But I kind of thought like, I don't know, I was like thinking after jump, like I don't know how I did that. Um, it didn't, it just kind of was like, so then at six meters I was, I was still like, dude, I don't know how I did that. Um, so I couldn't do it. But nationals was just like, it was way more on like, it was on from the start. Like I was just hitting poles, boom, boom, boom, never like a really bad jump. And so I was way more confident at six meters. I knew that the first temp was like one of those bales. Thanks cuz I was also going up a poll.

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Sondre Guttormsen: (08:34)
Um, from, it was a bigger pole than my five 90 jump. Um, so then I was, I was just kind of testing it. I didn't have a great run and then, you know, and then the, the next one I was like, you know what if I don't make it, nah, I don't think I'm gonna make it so I just gotta do it.

Jake Winder: (08:47)
Yeah. Well it's that, it's that same thing. I don't know if you ever listened to this podcast, but, uh, whenever I talk with Bit, I, whenever I talk with, uh, Mando, like that's, that's like the number one thing is like he, that's what he does so well is it's just like, okay, this is a brand new pole. I've never jumped on it and he sends it first rip and, and that like all the greatest bars probably, you know, that have really been made by people are usually in that moment where it's like, I don't know if this poll's going to work, but I have to trust Yeah. In my training and trust in my abilities. And then you just, there's a point in that jump where you make that full commitment and then that's where all the money's at. You know, I

Sondre Guttormsen: (09:30)
Mean, all my poles are, all my poles are really tight, especially when it gets to, um, that point. So like, I guess I can talk a little bit more about my pulse later, but, um, I have 0.2, um, from those like, oh wow, 0.3 and then it's 0.2 for the next one. So this was just a 0.2 difference from what I made. 90 on and 90 was 91. I, I guess 91 at nationals. It was kind of like a blow through. So I knew that I don't need to change too much, I just need to hit it semi the same as the other one and I'll move it. So

Jake Winder: (10:01)
I think, yeah, I, I mean this podcast we bounce all around, all over the place. So , I I am very curious about your poll situation. I was talking to your dad and Simon about it in Reno and they were confusing me a lot. , uh,

Sondre Guttormsen: (10:14)
What were they, I guess you could just explain makes it easier.

Jake Winder: (10:17)
Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (10:18)
Um, so first of all their, their pace of carbon poles. So they're the same exact like series like, um, the same brand and like year as like Toby Stevenson was on mm-hmm. . Um, I actually saw someone of his poles down in Chlo Vista and they're like exact same as mine. Almost the same numbers too. I think I'm a little bit bigger. Um, so yeah, they're all either black or white pays of carbon. They're the same. Um, people think I'm going back and forth, but they're, they're, I have never felt the difference. So

Jake Winder: (10:47)
And is the Carbon fx

Sondre Guttormsen: (10:49)
Yes. Carbon

Jake Winder: (10:50)
Fx, right, right. Are those the same ones that, uh, jumped on too then?

Sondre Guttormsen: (10:56)
Might be. Might be. But they're not the same as what Dean Starkey jumped on cuz he was on Right. One generation older. I think they're similar, but I'm not sure.

Jake Winder: (11:05)
Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of switching around, uh, you know, during the two thousands, uh, with those and, and that series,

Sondre Guttormsen: (11:13)
Series,

Jake Winder: (11:14)
That series. Seriously though, like for real, we have, we have a series of 15 six carbon FXs, which are white, like the ones that you used earlier in the competition at nationals. Um, it's the best series of polls. It's the best series of polls in at my training center. Like, it's crazy. My brother once stayed on it, I won, stayed on it. My other brother one stayed on it. I rented the pole to a kid in Indiana, then the kid in Indiana, one stayed on it like it's like crazy, man. That was, that was such a good series of poles. Yeah. Um,

Sondre Guttormsen: (11:52)
And um, yeah, yeah, so going off of that, I guess, um, the, the one I made five 90 on like last time I was in New Mexico was an 11.65 10 mm-hmm. , the announcer was thinking there were like five or five 20, but they are five 10. Yeah. Uh, and I'm like copying them, most of 'em at least. And then one I made six on was an 11.4. Um,

Jake Winder: (12:13)
Hold on. What was the first one again? 11.

Sondre Guttormsen: (12:15)
11.6.

Jake Winder: (12:16)
11 six and then 11 four. Okay. Okay. Got you. So like what do you open up your competition on? Like, so like you come in like right around 40 or 45 ish. Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (12:26)
Um, this year I kind of had a way better like strategy in terms of pulses and warmups and stuff. Like I kind of do, like I listen to Mono's podcast and he said I only do two warmups. Uh, I listened to this like before the end indoor season and after that I've only done two or three warmups.

Jake Winder: (12:40)
That's awesome.

Sondre Guttormsen: (12:41)
Um, but yeah, so I, I come in at usually one poll bigger than one I warm up on. Um, so this year it's usually been a 13.1. Hmm. Um, but I knew Mexico was a 12.8 cuz I did my last warmup jump on the 13 0 13 1. Right. Actually missed because I blew through and then I had to go up to like 12.4. So I was moving Really, I was moving poles really fast there. Um, yeah, normally I go from, I start on the 13 and then I end on either at 12 low or um, 11 point whatever,

Jake Winder: (13:13)
11 point whatever. Yeah. It's like where, where do you start your grip normally? Like do you incrementally raise your grip or do you just knob it and

Sondre Guttormsen: (13:22)
Just uh, no, I start, um, on the 13 flex I start around five meters. Okay. And then as I move a pulse, I kind of move up my grip, like, kind of like, I don't really think about it. They're just kind of taped. Like it's just like a finger here and a finger there. Like, and um, and eventually when I, when I get a big ones, I, I cap them.

Jake Winder: (13:41)
Right, right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (13:42)
Like I take off like the top little, um, whatever, uh, whatever. It's rubber piece

Jake Winder: (13:48)
Rubber

Sondre Guttormsen: (13:48)
Comes up there and I tape all the way up so I can really grip the top without like feeling the top of the pole .

Jake Winder: (13:54)
Right, right. Yeah. You're eventually, you're just gonna have to put one finger on the very top and just do it with three fingers, man. . Yeah. . That's crazy. Yeah. You really do grab the end of those things. It's pretty, pretty wild. Um, another thing too is you had Zach Bradford that kinda was there, you know, vaulting and kind of kind of, I, I guess pushing you, you know, cuz when you see two guys go over 90, it's like, oh well dang. Like we might have to jump, you know, 6, 5, 95 or six meters to win this thing, you know? Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (14:27)
That helps. Yeah, he, he pushed me, uh, pushed me both times into New Mexico actually. So first time he jumped 83, um, so I had to go, I don't know if I had to go higher, but, um, I did. Yeah. And then same time, same thing here. Like he made 91 Right. Like before me and I had to make it to beat him.

Jake Winder: (14:44)
Right. Yeah. So what did, I didn't watch, I didn't, I only saw just like his last jump and then your last jump jump, what was the progression? Did it go 90, 95?

Sondre Guttormsen: (14:54)
So it went, uh, it was by once and oh once, whatever. So it was 86. I don't think he made it. He skipped to 90, he missed twice and skipped to 91 and made it.

Jake Winder: (15:04)
Whoa. That's crazy.

Sondre Guttormsen: (15:05)
I didn't know like in his third attempt, but like first attempt, uh, then I made it and then he jumps at 96 and I skipped because I knew he'd have to make it to beat me. And one I didn't really think he was gonna make it, but even if it did, I thought I'd have a better shot at beating him by jumping the next height just cuz I'm the kind of guy that needs a little bit break between jumps and I need to like calm down, especially after a big bar. Um, and I knew whatever poles I was on at the time, like I can make six meters with this and I really didn't wanna have like a really good jump in 96 and like not being able to make six meters.

Jake Winder: (15:40)
Right, right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (15:41)
So I was kind of taking a gamble and like, you know what, if he makes it, that's good for him, um, I'm gonna Do

Jake Winder: (15:47)
You pass to six meters to win it?

Sondre Guttormsen: (15:50)
Potentially it would've been 6 0 1, but since it didn't make I I put out six.

Jake Winder: (15:54)
That's a gangster move, dude. That is awesome. Holy cow. That's wild. Um, so I don't know

Sondre Guttormsen: (16:01)
If I would've done this if it was like an Olympic final .

Jake Winder: (16:04)
, right? Uh, well I mean the thing is, is the first time you went over 90 it was very, that was like the big one where I saw where I was like, oh man, that was a big jump. You know, like, and I saw that and I'm sure you probably looked at the film and you were like, well if I just do that same thing, you know, I should be able to make six meters.

Sondre Guttormsen: (16:28)
That was my, that was my uh, thought process going into that. Me too.

Jake Winder: (16:32)
Yeah. That looks crazy man. I ca I it still is like kind of sinking in, like, hold on. Sandrey made six meters. That's crazy. Yeah, me too. How old are you? How old are you?

Sondre Guttormsen: (16:41)
Uh, 23. I turned 24 in June. So

Jake Winder: (16:45)
Goodness gracious man. Is Albuquerque the best runway in the world?

Sondre Guttormsen: (16:50)
Um, I haven't jumped on all the, I know there's some good one in France. Mm-hmm. Um, another place in Europe, but I think it's, it's definitely one of my favorites and together with like Arkansas is also really nice. Mm. I haven't jumped on to tech either, but I know it, it is good.

Jake Winder: (17:08)
Is Texas Tech a raised runway too?

Sondre Guttormsen: (17:11)
I'm not a hundred percent sure. I think the whole thing is raced, like the whole like, oh yeah. I'm not sure though. But it's also altitude there, which helps a bit

Jake Winder: (17:20)
At Texas Tech.

Sondre Guttormsen: (17:21)
Yeah. Lib, I'm pretty sure.

Jake Winder: (17:23)
Really? Huh. That's interesting. I didn't know that. Oh,

Sondre Guttormsen: (17:26)
That cool.

Jake Winder: (17:27)
. Yeah. Right. Um, yeah cuz my personal best was at Albuquerque as well, uh, whenever I was jumping and man that thing is, is really fast. Except my run was at like a hundred, I think it was 1 43 was 143 feet was my, uh, was my run. So like I had to start on that, that bank a little bit.

Sondre Guttormsen: (17:50)
Me too. Yeah. Minus 1 58 1 7.

Jake Winder: (17:55)
1 57. Yeah. Good. It's gracious.

Sondre Guttormsen: (17:59)
Thanks. They might have moved it, they might have made it longer since you were there. I don't know, but I'm, I'm starting with my left foot on the bottom of the, the incline.

Jake Winder: (18:07)
Wow.

Sondre Guttormsen: (18:07)
Right. Ride switch, like in the incline.

Jake Winder: (18:09)
Obviously it didn't mess with you too much.

Sondre Guttormsen: (18:12)
Not too much. I did You think I got hit though by a distance runner?

Jake Winder: (18:15)
I did , I did see that. Yeah. That was crazy. That was during your six meter attempts? No,

Sondre Guttormsen: (18:20)
It was luckily not. It was, I think it was

Jake Winder: (18:22)
5 86 86. Yeah. That could have been bad. That was, uh, yeah, that was pretty crazy. Um, so did you, were you surprised, like, like when, like did you just, did you kind of see it coming?

Sondre Guttormsen: (18:40)
I, i, I guess I can say it this way, like I knew that I could make it, um, just from five 90 last time. Um, I didn't necessarily think I would just, cuz I had a crazy like travel week the week before with Europeans did Turkey and then um, back to New Mexico. So it was like a crazy like week and a half and I was like super jet lagged, like, um, and a lot of stuff. But I knew that like, I guess when I started warming up and started having my first, so I knew like, this is gonna be a good day because I'm moving on crazy poles and my runup is really, really far mm-hmm. . So I, I guess I knew it was possible and it, it was my goal after like winning, um

Jake Winder: (19:23)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (19:25)
But yeah, one thing is thinking you can do it, another thing is actually doing it so

Jake Winder: (19:29)
Right. And then falling down and like seeing it up there still. Wow. It's just like,

Sondre Guttormsen: (19:33)
Yeah, like I just did

Jake Winder: (19:35)
That That must be such a big like mental barrier too. It's like there's a few mental, like five 80 s a kind of a mental like barrier, but then that six meter one mm-hmm. , it's like there's so few people in history who have done it, you know, and it's just like, I mean it's getting up there now quite, you know, you're adding to the list for sure. But, uh, that just mentally must be pretty crazy because like now it's just like, okay now to pr like you're gonna jump 6 0 5. Yeah. . It's like holy cow man. Now you got your work cut out for you.

Sondre Guttormsen: (20:11)
Yeah, we're gonna, I think 6 0 1 is the next goal and yeah, I wanna break down their collegiate record, which is six meters that actually mano has, so that'd be really cool. Um,

Jake Winder: (20:22)
What is it? 6 0 5. Six

Sondre Guttormsen: (20:23)
Six. Oh

Jake Winder: (20:25)
Really? Oh,

Sondre Guttormsen: (20:27)
It's kind of ideal cuz then one I get to jump at 6 0 1, which is a PR and then you get to break basically

Jake Winder: (20:33)
Record. Yeah. So how is that, like, my brother and I were talking about that the other day, like growing up in this era where like to be the best you have to jump 6 22. Like how, how, how does that, because like whenever I was coming up, if somebody jumped 90, that was the best jump in the world.

Sondre Guttormsen: (20:56)
Yeah.

Jake Winder: (20:57)
You know, and like, it seems like it's like wow, like you gotta jump 90 just to compete now. Yeah. You know,

Sondre Guttormsen: (21:04)
Um, you know, I think it's, uh, like it's always been like that for me. Like it's always, he's always been there so it hasn't been like a, all of a sudden this guy's coming in like mm-hmm. , it's been like a gradual thing where he has been the best for a long, long time. Mm-hmm. even, I mean even when he wasn't the best, he was still like crazy junior or youth or whatever mm-hmm. . Um, so I've always knew that he was like kind of the guy to beat and really, really hard to beat. But I think it has pushed me in like, you know what 6 22 is where, where the road record is. So six meters is really just on the way there. It's not like the end goal. And um, if he can jump 6 22, I should definitely be able to jump six. Kind of like that was kind of my mindset I guess. Um, even though, yeah, like he is a freak athlete and um, and all that, but I think it has pushed the other guys to, to really up their game and um, yeah, I don't know if I would've jumped as high as not, but I mean that's how, that's hard to say, but, um, I also, but

Jake Winder: (22:08)
Yeah, I know

Sondre Guttormsen: (22:08)
What you're saying. It's also like a thing where I'm like, you know what? Now, now my end goal is now jumping six meters. I've already done that and the world record is 6 22, so I'm gonna shoot for six 10 next. You know, um, like what do I have like try to figure out with my coaches and everybody, what do I have to do to make six 10 and what theoretically do I need to do to jump 6 23? You know? Um Right,

Jake Winder: (22:31)
Right. Like, that was one of my questions. What do you, what is that? What what is that? Like what do you, what do you think you personally yeah. Have to do to do that? You take off so well, like it's insane. Your takeoff is absolutely insane. Do you, the power that you jump off the ground with and where you take off, that's like a huge thing that I think is gonna really help you out in the future. But where do you think your six 10 or six 20 is?

Sondre Guttormsen: (23:04)
Um, I think it's a little different. Six 10 and six 20. I think 6, 6 10 I think is really not that whole much. I think it's having a similar jump as what I did, um, potentially even with the same pole and just learning how to get a little bit more from the pole by. Um, I, I come off it a little bit when I go upside down. Um, and I like throw my head back a little bit loose, a little bit of tension and then second I'm like this over the bar. I'm like a pancake if you've seen the jump. So, um, I think having a a better pike will will get me another potentially even 10 centimeters if, especially if I get that, um, upside down part a little bit, little bit better. So that's six 10. I don't think that's, I don't think I need to like improve like physically like a whole whole lot.

Sondre Guttormsen: (23:53)
Like, um, I mean I'm always working on, on both things at the same time. But yeah. And then for six 20, um, and beyond, I guess there's a little bit more physical that I need to improve on. Like I'm running about, um, I was 9.75 in Princeton at my Princeton when I jumped 5 81. So I'm imagining in New Mexico just by seeing like what my run was, my mid marks and poles I was on. I'm imagining I was closer to 9.8, maybe even 85. Um, I didn't get measuring min there, but, so I think that is really, really fast and I think it's almost enough for six 15 or something, but Right. Six 20 potentially I need to improve that to like 9.9 10.0 Right. Um, which is kind of like a long, like a five year kind of like plan, you know, like 2028 kind of thing. Like, um, the Olympics 2028 I want to have, yeah. I'm hoping that I can improve my runway speed a bit and take off, um, yeah. Even further so that I can jump on. Um, 10 point something, 10.8, whatever. Um,

Jake Winder: (25:03)
Don't you already take off at like 14, six?

Sondre Guttormsen: (25:06)
Uh, I'm at 15 actually like 14, 11, 15. But I mean, gripping the same height. If I keep gripping at five 10, um, yeah, I'll, I'll move, I'll move down in flex and Yeah. Potentially be on a pole big enough to jump whatever bars.

Jake Winder: (25:24)
Yeah, I mean this is

Sondre Guttormsen: (25:25)
Like a very like, like I don't, like, I'm actually like thinking theoretically like what is, what is it that I had to do if I were to jump six 20? It's not like, oh, I'm gonna do this at jump six 20. Um Right,

Jake Winder: (25:38)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (25:38)
I dunno if this is possible, but, um, theoretically, like I'm 23 years old. I think this, it is possible to improve a bit on speed, um, which is gonna help my, my, get me on bigger poles, higher grip, um, and then yeah, technique will also improve. I, I didn't think I was gonna jump six meters at 23, um, but knowing that I did, um, I think there's, there's still room for improvement until I'm like 28 doing 30 years old, as long as I'm, you know, staying healthy and all those things that you have to do.

Jake Winder: (26:09)
Yeah, I think that's the question for all of the, you know, there's like a a, a good, you know, group of, of people your age that are, are jumping, you know, like really, really high. I think that's the question is like, okay, like what's this going to look like at 30 years old? Like what, what will they look like at 28? You know, and how, how can we keep the body together? How can we, you know, stay away from injury and, and things like that, but then continue to still, you know, progress in the speed and the technique. I think your, I think you're exactly right. I think that your technique, uh, you're one of the, the lucky ones that's like, you could improve some on your technique, which is awesome, you know, because if you, that's, that's one of those things, you know, improving to 10 meters per second is, that's pretty tough to do, you know, that's really, really hard. Yeah. Yeah. But improving your technique is, is not out of the question for sure.

Sondre Guttormsen: (27:07)
Yeah, that's, that's, that's what I was thinking too and that's why I'm like, you know, these technique, these technique technical things is probably what's gonna help me jump higher the soonest. And then just by consistent work, hopefully the, the physical things is slightly slightly improving. Like there are lots of sprinters for example, who's, who's run I guess ten one at 23 and then at 28 they're running 9.9, 9.8 even mm-hmm. . So if they can do that on the a hundred meter or 60 meter, um, it should be POS just as possible for a pole volter. Mm-hmm. . Um, maybe even easier actually, just cuz Yeah. They haven't been training like a professional sprinter for forever, so.

Jake Winder: (27:48)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Sondre Guttormsen: (27:49)
It's kind of like overlooked a bit like the speed thing. Like you can get faster even after you're like 20 years old. The speed is not just like, I mean, it's not a thing you're just just born with. Um, and yeah, like I look at Kevin Mayer a lot, like his speed progression in the a hundred meter and the hurdles. Mm-hmm. Um, and I think he run like a 10.9 or something at 23 and then now he's running at 10.5. Right. Um, just by con like being super, super professional in figuring out, okay, what do I need to do to improve a little bit on the start a little bit here, a little bit there, stradling frequency, um, just being really, really smart about it and, and trying to see yeah. What is, and for pole vaulting, like I'm look trying to look at like, okay, what is my runway speed compared to my max speed without a pole? And my percentage is, is really, really high already. So meaning, um, there's not a whole lot to work on. Um, by running with the pole, I'm at like 93, 90 4% of my maximum speed.

Jake Winder: (28:54)
Oh wow. That's

Sondre Guttormsen: (28:55)
Good. Which just is pretty much the cap for most people. Um, there's not a lot of people running like 95% of their max speed. So I need to, for me to be able to run faster on the runway, um, I need to run faster without a pole, so I need to actually get faster, which is harder than just improving your, um, running with a pole, uh, technique. So,

Jake Winder: (29:17)
But Right. For sure. And I, I always tell, you know, athletes that, that I work with is like, you know, if you can jump, you know, let's say if you as an example, if you can jump six meters, like on a perfect day, you could jump six 10. Like, like if, if things were just a, if they tweaked a little bit this way or a little bit that way, it's, it's not like we're talking about like a a foot difference or like a foot and a half difference. Like it could be, you know, something really simple. So like if you, if you're there, if you can jump six meters, you can jump 6 0 5. If you can jump 6 0 5, you can jump six 10. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (29:58)
It's always like that one more poll.

Jake Winder: (30:00)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (30:01)
I mean you can always go one more poll somehow, like Yeah.

Jake Winder: (30:05)
. So how do you like, manage this whole, uh, like being the Norwegian national record holder and like having to jump in Europeans and then like also having to jump in NCAAs and, and like you were just talking about how you jumped 90 in Albuquerque and then you gotta go across the world to, to co compete in a meet over there and then come back to NCAAs. How, how do you manage that?

Sondre Guttormsen: (30:36)
I think I'm lucky that, um, already at 23 I'm, I'm fairly experienced with the whole travel back and forth America, Europe kind of thing. Mm-hmm. , um, just from doing it like quite a bit and I've learned ways to um, be good about jet lag and, and knowing when to sleep and when not to sleep and, um, all those things. Um, and really been smart about planning it out. Like, um, so yeah, I jumped like the conference meet on um, a Saturday and then I flew to Istanbul on the following Monday, so two days after. Wow. Um, so I was there for, from Monday till, yeah, Monday till Monday Really. But the meat was early in the morning, Friday and late at night Saturday. So I kind of decided to go early to really get acclimated. Then I had like almost a full week to get ready.

Sondre Guttormsen: (31:31)
So I felt pretty good. I felt pretty ready when I was there. Um, I guess it wasn't even tougher when I go back just cuz it's a nine hour flight and then I landed in Princeton and then I had to fly to Albuquerque, um, to compete just like five or six day, day after with a 10 hour time change the other direction. Um, but that's crazy. Yeah. I very much prioritize like occasion I gotta sleep, but this time and yeah, I prep in advance too. Kind of like when I was gonna Europe I was trying to prep in advance, meaning like I go to bed super early American time so that it makes more sense going back and then, yeah, last two days in Turkey I'd go back, go to bed or I guess just the two days cuz I had my qualifying in the morning so I had to go early for that and then I tried staying up, um, quite late so I could sleep in.

Jake Winder: (32:22)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (32:23)
Yeah.

Jake Winder: (32:24)
So, so is that like the main hack? Like would you mind sharing like, I don't know, maybe you want to keep these hacks to yourself?

Sondre Guttormsen: (32:30)
Oh no, no. I can share and, um, I don't think it's like too, too hard. I think first of all, if you're just going one place and you're going there not too many days before trying to get on that, that time zone earlier or at least like a few hours. So say you have a 10 hour time change, maybe try to change four or five hours. So if you're going from America to Europe, if you normally go to bed at 12, try to go to bed at eight, seven, something like that, and waking up at four, um, just do like one hour a day. That's kind of what I try to do. Yeah. And that, that's what your body is. If you try to change like five hours in one day, you're gonna sleep terrible and you're gonna wake up in the middle of the night.

Jake Winder: (33:12)
Right. Right. Um,

Sondre Guttormsen: (33:13)
And then if you also have a few days in the new place, I try to not just go to, I try not to go to bed at like my normal time. Like I don't go to bed at 10, um, 10:00 PM just cuz that's what I have to do. I start by maybe going to bed at two, 2:00 AM in the morning, sleeping in, and then maybe I'll do 12 the day after and then 11 the day after that.

Jake Winder: (33:34)
Right. So that,

Sondre Guttormsen: (33:35)
So that my body is slowly getting ready for it and getting good sleep instead of changing 10 hours and then sleeping like weird for a few days and cause that's gonna make your recovery worse.

Jake Winder: (33:48)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (33:48)
That's kinda my, my hack I guess. And yeah, some people think it's weird like, oh, I'm in a different place and I'm going to bed super, super late. Uh,

Jake Winder: (33:57)
. Yeah. Right. Well, I mean, yeah,

Sondre Guttormsen: (33:59)
There's a, there's a plan behind it.

Jake Winder: (34:00)
It, it must work pretty well. I mean, what com you know, you just told a crazy, crazy schedule over the last month and, and you were able to execute it really, really well. Um, so like how are you a good sleeper then?

Sondre Guttormsen: (34:16)
I think so. I think I'm, I've gotten pretty, pretty good at it.

Jake Winder: (34:20)
Yeah. It's, it's hard though, like for me I

Sondre Guttormsen: (34:24)
Need to have like complete black, like it needs to be complete black. No, no noise whatsoever. So, but I mean I make sure that, that those things can happen. ,

Jake Winder: (34:33)
Do you like use a sleep mask or earplugs or anything like that?

Sondre Guttormsen: (34:37)
Not

Jake Winder: (34:38)
Is your dorm, like, aren't people like going all over the place in the dorm and stuff?

Sondre Guttormsen: (34:42)
Uh, yeah, a little bit. A little bit . My dorm's luckily not the noisiest, like there's not too much going on here. Yeah. And uh, normally like if it's too loud or party's like early on, like, or like semi late the, we call it peace safe, like public safety, we'll usually shut it down within not too long .

Jake Winder: (35:00)
Right, right. Yeah. Uh,

Sondre Guttormsen: (35:03)
Which is sad if you were the one hosting something, but

Jake Winder: (35:06)
, right. Yeah. for

Sondre Guttormsen: (35:08)
The, for a greater good.

Jake Winder: (35:10)
Yeah. Right. That's funny. Um, so your other meets, you know, I'm, I I guess I'm just fascinated with, with your particular situation, having, you know, being in the position that you are in Norway and then being your, the position that you are in the states here, are there, like Princeton has obviously been pretty lenient with allowing you to do a bunch of different stuff. Is that something that you discussed with them prior to committing to go to Princeton? Uh, or maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

Sondre Guttormsen: (35:44)
No, they, they are super, super nice and I've been super su super fortunate and lucky to, to have those coaches and everything. Um, I don't care remember exactly how much I taught. I think the first year I, I was like, I was telling him fairly early in the season that like, then it was different cuz um, European or I guess it was world indoors, what's the week after n NCAAs. So he was like, you know what, you're done your thing. Like do whatever you want. Like, uh, just make sure you get excused from or make sure you talk to your professors about missing class and stuff. Right. Um, so he was okay with it and this, and then I was very successful last year with, with that travel thing. Not, I mean, not as good as now, but um, yeah, I was doing well uh, at the time.

Jake Winder: (36:26)
Yeah. What about your, oh go ahead.

Sondre Guttormsen: (36:29)
Yeah, this year it was the week before, so it's the week after conference. Conference is like the most important thing for person cuz it's where we can, where we were won so many times and we, yeah. So I jumped conference one and then, and I, I guess I asked him like a week before like, Hey, can I go to Europe after conference between NCAAs? And he's like, yeah, yeah, just, just, uh, yeah, talk to your professors, make sure you sleep and good luck

Jake Winder: (36:53)
. That's awesome. Yeah. That's really nice. So like, what about your meats besides these big meets, like what is, like how many, like where does Princeton, where do you guys travel to, like what meets do you guys go to? Because I only see like NCAAs or Texas relays or you know, yeah. These, these bigger meets. What, what is the other meets? And then also is there competition to push you? I mean I know your brother uh, is there but

Sondre Guttormsen: (37:25)
Yeah. Um, most of our meets this year hasn't been like, um, anything crazy competition. Like we go to New York in the Armory, there's not usually anybody there. We have our home meet, um, pretty, pretty small meets conference is also pretty small on the assignments there. Um, where else did we go this year? Harvard. Oh, we went to H Y P, Harvard Prince and Yale. Um, good place to jump. Not really any competition there either. Um, in terms of like guys that were like five 70, I mean there's not that many guys so five 70 in the whole NCAA so. Right. Um, and then, um, I was able to talk to coach both last year and this year about like going to one like high, high quality meet. So last year we went to Arkansas, then we brought some sprinters and stuff too. Mm-hmm. Um, it's a long, long travel, but I wanted to like do well at that runway and everything. Um, and

Jake Winder: (38:19)
Then is that your first time jumping on it?

Sondre Guttormsen: (38:21)
Uh, first time in Arkansas, jumped outta New Mexico, like freshman year.

Jake Winder: (38:25)
Similar. Right. But the Arkansas runway, that was the first time you had jumped on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it all it's cracked up to be? Is it that good?

Sondre Guttormsen: (38:33)
Uh, New Mexico is just as good or better.

Jake Winder: (38:35)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (38:37)
And this year I was like, you know, I haven't jumped at New Mexico since freshman year. I know NCAA is gonna be there. Um, it'd be great to have um, kind of like practice meet on there before. I mean, not a practice meet but uh, trying it out before the national meet. So I better chance of doing well at national. So I I, I literally asked him if we could go there and originally he was planning on bringing a few more guys I think, and then some guys got hurt so it ended up just being me and, um, girl Walter Tessa who jumps like 5, 4 30 something. Okay. Uh, yeah. So he was super nice and let me, let me go there and put on the schedule early on. Right. Um, and yeah,

Jake Winder: (39:17)
So what's the deal with, uh, the Texas thing?

Sondre Guttormsen: (39:21)
Oh, like next year?

Jake Winder: (39:23)
Yeah. Like what I, I don't understand. Uh, kind of how, how all that worked

Sondre Guttormsen: (39:28)
Out. Yeah. Um, I think, I mean I really like, I like being in college and I think it is, um, a really good training situation. Um, just being in college and having all those benefits of being a college athlete, it's, it's makes things very easy. Yeah. Um, like everything is like taken care of. You get food, you get housing, especially if you're on scholarships and um, yeah. You get teammates, you get friends. Um, it's just a really, I really enjoy the, the, the life I guess, um, in college.

Jake Winder: (40:02)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (40:03)
And so, yes, I'm never knowing, we both had more eligibility after like Covid and, and all that stuff. We were like, you know what, we're gonna try to do master's somewhere where it's the best place for us to go together. Cuz we realized I guess that fresh, uh, when I was at UCLA I had to transfer here just cuz I, it didn't really work out that well. Um, so we're gonna stick together. Um, and yeah, we looked at schools that had fairly good academics cuz Simon is a genius. And , I valued my academics, my my academics and indication too. Yeah. Um, and we wanted a good climate, good place to jump. Um, good school, good, um, team and Texas kind of had all those things so we were pretty set on Texas from the start. Like we didn't really look other places until we got our offer from Texas. Right. Um, which I'm glad worked out and yeah, we're still, we're still planning on, on going there in the fall of September of this year.

Jake Winder: (41:04)
Um, that's really cool

Sondre Guttormsen: (41:06)
To, yeah, we have, Simon has two more years of eligibility. I have one indoor and out, so,

Jake Winder: (41:12)
Uh, what happened to Simon? I, I remember he was talking to, I was talking to him in Reno about how he like had like a quad like injury or something.

Sondre Guttormsen: (41:20)
Yeah. He, he like pulled his quad in, um, over winter training, kind of like out of the blue. Um, would know like Yeah. Which is an annoying injury. It takes a long time. And I think he didn't want to try to rush back into it, uh, to try to like have a meet or two. Um, so he just, just took, um, took some time to re and recover and, and get back. I mean now he's, he's jumping pretty decent now. Like I'm super short approach and he's running sprints and he's in good shape. He's just, um, trying to get back to privilege. I think once he gets back to full approach, he'll, he'll jump 5 65 70 like very soon.

Jake Winder: (41:57)
Right, right. And, and so is he going to Vault outdoors or no? Yeah, yeah. He is gonna vault outdoors. Okay. Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (42:03)
Gotcha. I don't know yet, yet, yet. Uh, I don't know when yet, but

Jake Winder: (42:07)
Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. So going back to kind of your origin in the sport, were you, were you born in the States or did you, were you born in Norway?

Sondre Guttormsen: (42:21)
Yes, I was born in, uh, Davis, California. Uh, like 30 minutes from Sacramento, but Okay. My dad had like a sabbatical since he's a professor, econ professor. Um, so yeah, my mom and dad was just there for the year. And then I pretty much lived in Norway most of my life until college I guess.

Jake Winder: (42:39)
Okay. So you were born in Davis, California and then you moved back to Norway?

Sondre Guttormsen: (42:46)
Yeah, where I have all my family and everything.

Jake Winder: (42:49)
And then you grew up in Norway and then ca I'm just in, I'm not familiar with your background. So then

Sondre Guttormsen: (42:56)
I, we did, my dad had those sabbaticals three times. So in 1999 when I was born 2010 to 11 and then 2017, 18, that's, so I, I graduated from uh, Davis High School, but every year in between Norway, so like, people get it confused cuz I think I Oh yeah. Grow up. You were born in Norvis? No, you're born in the US so you grew up in the US and I'm like, no, I, I I grew up in Norway. Right. I've just had a couple years a year here and there in the us um, in

Jake Winder: (43:26)
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Okay. All right. That is making a little bit more sense now. Yeah. So you said that you, what, what hap like, so you went to ucla, you said first

Sondre Guttormsen: (43:39)
Yep. Two years or a year and a half.

Jake Winder: (43:41)
Year and a half. And then what happened there? Is it just

Sondre Guttormsen: (43:44)
No, two, two full years, but I guess I was sent home, uh, cuz of Covid.

Jake Winder: (43:49)
Oh yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah,

Sondre Guttormsen: (43:51)
Two full academic years.

Jake Winder: (43:53)
Okay. And then what caused you to want to transfer to Princeton?

Sondre Guttormsen: (44:00)
Um, mostly athletics. It was, um, the training group and, um, or I guess more the lack, lack thereof. Um, and, um, just like the coaching situation, they didn't feel right for me. Um, and I was, felt a little bit like by myself and, um, yeah. Like it wasn't quite the experience I'd hoped for, um, with athletics.

Jake Winder: (44:28)
Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (44:29)
Um,

Jake Winder: (44:30)
What did you jump while you were there?

Sondre Guttormsen: (44:32)
Uh, I jumped really well. Freshman year. I jumped, um, three times over 70. I ended up with 73 indoors outdoors. Outdoors. I had like a small injury like stress fracture thing, so I didn't get back until like a conference meet mm-hmm. . Um, and I jumped 60 I think at Nationals, which was ninth .

Jake Winder: (44:51)
Yeah, right. . That's crazy. .

Sondre Guttormsen: (44:54)
Yeah. So, I mean, I didn't do, I didn't do bad, but

Jake Winder: (44:57)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (44:58)
I tried the next year too. I guess I realized like by the end of the first year, like, ah, I was like, I don't know if this is the right, but I, I, I wanted to make it work. Um, but then yeah, towards the end of my, or towards my second quarter, I guess, I was like, I'm gonna try to see if it's possible to transfer. Um, yeah. And joined, what,

Jake Winder: (45:18)
What made you choose Princeton?

Sondre Guttormsen: (45:21)
Um, do you know, um, I don't know if you know August Kyle, he was the former Princeton. He had a Princeton record, uh, at like 5 42. He graduated in 2018 and I got to know him during my time at U C A because he was training with, um, coach Keran as well, which was my coach at ucla. Um, so yeah, I got to know him there and he, he had actually tried to recruit me to Princeton back in like 2017, and I just like didn't really, I was like, ah, you know, I'm settled on U C L A, I don't wanna deal with the New Jersey weather or whatever. Uh, right. But yeah, he, I got really close with him and he said that I should try to try to transfer to Princeton and see if, see if they, I didn't really think it was possible to transfer to an Ivy League. I didn't know they did that. Um, and they didn't know either actually if they took transfers, um, with athletics,

Jake Winder: (46:09)
So. Oh, so this is like a, a common, like, so it's not a common thing? No,

Sondre Guttormsen: (46:14)
Not at all. Just

Jake Winder: (46:15)
To happen. Um, I, I'm not, I'm not very familiar with Ivy League and, uh, I, I am, I I did not do so well in high school, so I didn't really have the, uh, actually I was recruited by Harvard and then I did think I sent them, uh, some of my transcripts and then they were like, then for some reason they just ghosted me. .

Sondre Guttormsen: (46:38)
Wow. I don't know why

Jake Winder: (46:40)
, but yeah. So I'm not familiar with the Ivy League situation.

Sondre Guttormsen: (46:45)
Yeah. Um, I, I knew kind of that Princeton didn't do transfer much. I don't know about the other ones. I don't think it was, oops. One second here. Yeah, you're good. Sorry, I can just restart. You're good. Um, I didn't know that Princeton did, um, they had only started their transfer like thing, um, like a couple years before that and they took like 10 or something a year. Hmm. And none of, and most of them were like veterans or, um, or other like, kind of like special cases for why they, um, whatever. Um, so I didn't know that an athlete could transfer there. That's pretty much mm-hmm. . Yeah. But then August thought that it would be possible and I should talk to, um, coach Fed Samara, and then I hopped in the transfer portal, reached out. Simon had kind of like talked, um, I guess like mentioned the idea, uh, whatever. Right. Um, and then I talked to coach and he was just gonna try his best to see what was possible and then I sent him my application. Um, yeah. And then

Jake Winder: (47:55)
What do you, what do you major in there?

Sondre Guttormsen: (47:57)
Uh, psychology.

Jake Winder: (47:58)
Psychology. Watch out. What kind of, do you want to like go into something with that or No?

Sondre Guttormsen: (48:04)
Um, I don't know. Um, kind of been going back and forth a little bit, whether or not I wanted to do something more with it. Um, I think it's really interesting and I think I, um, I could like a career, like I could have liked a career in psychology, but, um, I probably won't. Um, my master's is gonna be in sports management.

Jake Winder: (48:27)
Oh, cool.

Sondre Guttormsen: (48:27)
Um, besides, it's a little bit more like business oriented. Um, and yeah, I don't know, um, exactly what I wanna do with that either, but I think it's a good, um, starting point, like Psychology Bachelor from Princeton and Sports Management from U University of Texas. It's a two year program, so mm-hmm. , it's a full masters and we'll see. I mean, I am hoping that I'll pull wo until I'm 30 something and then, um, I'll figure something out.

Jake Winder: (48:57)
Um, then you'll open up the ga tomson, uh, school of Pole vaulting. Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (49:02)
You know, maybe I'll do something like you

Jake Winder: (49:04)
. Uh,

Sondre Guttormsen: (49:05)
Definitely, definitely possible.

Jake Winder: (49:07)
Yeah. Well you guys, I think, uh, like for what we did, like my family was just very uniquely positioned to do it because we had, you know, a, a good amount of, uh, you know, pole vaulters in my family, my dad, my all three of my brothers and things like that. So it gave us a really good head start to do it whether, um, as opposed to if I, it was just me, you know? So like with you and your family, I just feel like that like would give you like a huge headstart, but you'd have to have all of 'em on board with it.

Sondre Guttormsen: (49:40)
Yeah, no, it definitely would be cool.

Jake Winder: (49:42)
So what role has your dad played in your career? Was he the coach who kind of taught you how to pole vault or did you have a different coach in Norway or?

Sondre Guttormsen: (49:53)
Um, good question. Um, I guess I like that question. Um, yeah, he was the one introducing me to pole vault when I was like nine or even I guess eight actually the first time I touched a pole. Um, but it took a while till they gave become like a consistent thing. Mm-hmm. . So he introduced me to it. Um, he like pole vault did like when he was super young, I think SPR is like three 70 or something. Okay.

Sondre Guttormsen: (50:16)
Uh, nothing impressive. He was a hurdler for the most part and really liking, liking track, but then kind of leaving track for a while when he was like getting married and, and working as a professor and kind of like wasn't much part of track. I think , I don't remember his story perfectly, but I think he was leading track for a while after he stopped running. Um, and then, yeah, he kind of got back into it with um, first me and my brother as well. Um, we started, we joined the club to do all events, but he was the one kind of teaching his pole vault. And then what kind of accelerated things was we, that sabbatical he had in 2010, 11 where we moved to Davis, California that just opened up or we were kind of looking, looking to see if there was like, oh, can we do like pole there? Um, we weren't really sure. And then we looked around and my dad found this like, brand new club that I just started at Davis, Davis High School, I think he found on Facebook or something. Um, yeah. Had a really good, like the Catholic guy that um, was neither like, um, the train all year and he was also a good, I think he jumped like four 90 Ian Rock actually. Um,

Jake Winder: (51:29)
Ian Rock. Okay.

Sondre Guttormsen: (51:31)
He went to Duke and he did pretty, um, pretty well in the decathlon, but I think he should have just done pole vaulting.

Jake Winder: (51:36)
Got out to Ian Rock

Sondre Guttormsen: (51:38)
. Yeah. Great guy. Um, well, no, he was, he's very definitely a part of it cuz um, I think he was his mom that kind of like helped start this club. Um, so I would do, we would jump twice a week with high schoolers and we were like 11 and 10 at the time.

Jake Winder: (51:53)
Oh wow. That's

Sondre Guttormsen: (51:54)
Cool. Up in, on the club. Um, yeah. And train. And we got a lot better. My dad learned a lot from, um, from the coach there, Rick Harper. Um, his son went to Tennessee. Um, yeah, we learned a lot. My dad learned a lot. My dad started learn, uh, reading, reading books, watching film. I got very much into it too. Um, even though I was a little kid. Started watching, watching a lot of YouTube, you know, the, the normal like stuff. Yeah. Um, and yeah. And then, sorry, I kind of talked a lot about that, but

Jake Winder: (52:29)
no, that's, no, this is all this stuff that people don't know, you know? Yeah. Like we, that's what they like to hear is, is what created this six meter machine.

Sondre Guttormsen: (52:38)
. Yeah. Um, I think it's very important, like how I got in there. Um, then we went back to Norway and we still kind of tried to learn from everybody because we were very new. Like my dad wasn't a professional coach or anything. Right. Um, so we went, took a lot of visits to Sweden to visit, um, a guy named Peca Peka . Um, he unfortunately died like, I think it was 10 years ago now, but, or 20 13, 14 or something, actually kinda after, soon after we, um, visited. So that was, that was really sad. But he helped and taught us a lot. He was like, um, had very much of like the petro of kind of like, um, technical model, maybe like a little bit, um, changed, but very similar. So we learned a lot from, from him, him and some other coaches there. And then we got, um, we got a Polish polo coach, few years, um, during that time as well, um, that we trained with twice a week.

Sondre Guttormsen: (53:36)
Um, she was like a really good junior vault. Uh, she jumped for something and she was in the world, youth and all that stuff. Um, really taught us a lot of stuff and taught my dad a lot of stuff. Um, we're just kind of in the theme throughout our whole career, like learning from other coaches. Um, that's cool. Both cool as athletes and as coaches, all of us. And then lastly, I think, um, the last guy that kind of helped us is, uh, good stuff. Gr who's, um, who's not kind of like, have a bigger role in Gothenberg track and field, or in Gothenberg pole vaulting. Okay. Who's coached? Uh, milker, who jumped 5 82 and who's jumped 4, 4 80 something.

Jake Winder: (54:17)
Okay.

Sondre Guttormsen: (54:17)
So we like

Jake Winder: (54:19)
Is he the one who collects a lot of the data? Yeah, he is.

Sondre Guttormsen: (54:25)
Okay. Not,

Jake Winder: (54:27)
I, I'm wondering if this is the same gusta. I just can't remember his last name that, that emailed me. So he, he like gave me some really, I'm a really like data. I like

Sondre Guttormsen: (54:37)
The data. I'm sure it's him. If there's

Jake Winder: (54:39)
All right, well shout out to him because gosh, man, he does such a good job collecting that stuff and, uh, just very, very kind to have, uh, you know, let me see some of that. So

Sondre Guttormsen: (54:50)
Yeah, so there's been a lot of people like involved in both our, both me and my brother's successes, I guess. And I think my dad's been really good at like, constantly being, um, eager to learn from, from other coaches and knowing that, uh, yeah, he is been getting a lot better and um, is now a pretty good coach. But alway like, still, still, we try to learn from good stuff. Like, and, and everybody we meet like in the summer, I'm probably gonna spend some, some weeks weekends here and there, down there, um, way or without my dad. Um, same with Simon, to continue just, just learning and improving. And I think both Simon and I have become a lot better coaches too lately. And now during the last two years at Princeton, um, it's been a lot of Simon and I helping each other out in terms of technique and training and yeah. And Simon would, yeah, he coached me most of this year.

Jake Winder: (55:50)
I saw that at Reno. That was really cool to see, um, you guys working together. That was the one thing I noticed is I was like, okay, Simon's kind of, kind of running the, running the coaching role over here. Yeah. It's pretty cool, man. Yeah, that's, he

Sondre Guttormsen: (56:07)
Makes me so, well now, I mean, we, we, we even live together at Princeton. Yeah. And he really knows, like my pole psych, psych psyche. Mm-hmm. . Um, so he knows like, okay, he didn't really move this pole, but we're gonna go up still, because I know know that's kind of how, how you work. And I saw things here that if you change, you're gonna move up pole. And, um, just things like that. Like he, I was, uh, in Europeans and I was jumping on one pole at five 70 and then, um, we were kind of thinking that, okay, well I'm gonna stay on this pole and make 80 on it cuz I think it's gonna work. And he texted my dad and was like, no, you have to, you have to go up a pole. And so then dad kind of calls me over and was like, Simon told you to go up a pole. And I was like, okay,

Jake Winder: (56:53)
That's so cool.

Sondre Guttormsen: (56:55)
He even watching the live stream and dad's been sending videos and then I wait up, went up a pole and made it first attempt like dad could have been, if I had a missed there, that could've been it.

Jake Winder: (57:04)
. That's really crazy. So Simon's younger than you, right?

Sondre Guttormsen: (57:08)
Yeah.

Jake Winder: (57:09)
How many years younger

Sondre Guttormsen: (57:10)
Than you? Year and a half, 2001 and I'm 99.

Jake Winder: (57:14)
Okay. So that right there, I think people would find very fascinating because it's not every day that a big brother is going to trust his younger brother, you know, with, with his pole vaulting. And so they're, they're, it's really, really cool because you sometimes you hear about families that are, you know, really this, there's like sibling rivalry and, and they, you know, want to try to to, to beat each other and things like that. And that's super like, selfless of Simon to be like, you know what, I'm gonna do whatever I can to help my brother get, you know, to, to where he he wants to be. And then it's super, it sh tells me a lot about you and your, um, you know, there must not be a lot of ego involved because if you're having your younger brother, you know, coach you and tell you what to do, that's, that's pretty cool. Is that, has it, has it always been like that? Or is you kind of grown into that?

Sondre Guttormsen: (58:14)
I think we were kind of grown into it because when we were in Norway it was more like dad telling me. Mm. Um, and then the more time I spent with Simon and the more time I was kind of like away from dad too, just cuz he lives in Norway. Um, Simon's kind of like learned, um, how I work, I guess as a pole vaulter and what technical things I need to do to, to jump well. So yeah.

Jake Winder: (58:44)
Out of all of those people that you mentioned that have been influential in your career, is there one that you could point to that's like, this has been a very, this has been probably like maybe the most influential,

Sondre Guttormsen: (58:58)
I mean, and uh, it must be Simon just because without him as like a training partner for, I mean, he's been my training partner since I was eight or nine or whatever until 23. So, or almost 24. So it, it, it, it must be him even though there are coaches that, um, I really couldn't do it without,

Jake Winder: (59:18)
But, right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (59:18)
Yeah. A training partner is, is also very important. Um, maybe just as important as a good coach. So

Jake Winder: (59:25)
Clip that section. , that was a good clip, man. Yeah. Um, that, that's so cool. Yeah, Luke and I, so I took over Luke's training. I'm older, I'm like eight years older than Luke. Um, but I took over his training, uh, for, uh, we've been training together for a little over a year now. And it is different. It's just different, you know, taking, you know, when you have your dad working with you, um, just the training dynamic is a little different whenever it's like your brother versus your dad. And I don't know what it is, but it's, it's, it's a different thing and it's been, you know, so far knock on wood, uh, working well for, for Luke and I, and, and that's just so cool, uh, that you guys had this kind of brother, uh, you know, combo. That's, that's really, yeah. Really good. And then I'm assuming that you do the same for Simon.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:00:23)
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I don't know who's a better coach for each other though. He might be better for me than I'm for him. I don't know. , , I try to, I try to be on it, but, uh, so I can improve as a coach too. Right. But it's been, it's been working out pretty well.

Jake Winder: (01:00:40)
So if I were to ask Simon, what is Sand's biggest strength? What's he gonna say?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:00:49)
Probably going a pulse and not, and being fearless. Like, I can go tell me to go up a pole. I, I won't think twice about it.

Jake Winder: (01:00:56)
That's what your dad told me in the coach's box is he was like, no sandre he'll, he'll go on a pole and then tell him to go up a pole and he'll blow through the next pole. Yeah. I was like, because like, there was one jump at Reno, I think I'm remembering this correctly. There was one jump at Reno cause he, him and I were sitting next to each other and, and you went and you landed a little shallow and then somehow you guys came to the decision that you were gonna go up a pole. And I was

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:01:23)
Like, sure. It worked too.

Jake Winder: (01:01:24)
He just landed shallow and he and your dad was like, no, watch, just watch. Yeah. And then you go and it was perfect. Yeah. I was like, how did that work? ? That's crazy. You just get maybe a little bit more hyped up and, and

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:01:38)
I think there's also like, if I see there's a little mistake that I normally don't do that I know I won't do on the next one, I know like, you know what, yeah, I was shallow on this one, but it felt fine and if I just fixed up this little thing, it's gonna be super soft, so I'm gonna go up and hope that I'll fix that little thing.

Jake Winder: (01:01:55)
Wow. What would he say your biggest weakness is?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:01:59)
Ooh.

Jake Winder: (01:02:01)
You have no weaknesses?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:02:02)
No, I haven't. Weakness. I've been, I've been improving a lot this, this year with my weaknesses, I guess. Um, no, it makes it sound stupid that I don't have any weaknesses. I, I definitely do

Jake Winder: (01:02:17)
Like, what's it, I mean, I guess maybe a way that we could rephrase it is like, well it kind of goes back to, you know, what's gonna be the thing that makes you jump, you know, five or six, 10. You know,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:02:30)
I think, I think a lot of the, um, it's been a lot better this year, but I think, um, my run has been kind of like inconsistent, um, for a while. Um,

Jake Winder: (01:02:40)
What part of it?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:02:42)
Um, the part like from how much I'm pushing the first two steps to like, so where my mid mark kind of is, ends up being, um, what changed a lot. But now I guess the last few weeks it hasn't been, uh, as big of a problem and is why I've been able to jump well. But for, for a long time that was a big, big issue. Like being inconsistent, very inconsistent and, um, jumping like all I was all over the place and that's why I could never, I could never have like two of the same jumps back to back. Uh, which would be very hard in figuring out what poles to be on where the standards are. And that's why I missed a lot of bars and I would be in very good shape and know that I could have put up a really good height, but then I would never get there just cuz I would have stupid like inconsistencies that made it so I never would make a bar even though I always had height.

Jake Winder: (01:03:35)
Right, right. Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:03:36)
That's

Jake Winder: (01:03:37)
What, what do you, like, you're at the end of the runway and you're attempting six meters. What, what is going through your head? What are you thinking about? Are you, do you, what cues do you focus on? Cues? Yeah. You know, what, what is it that you focus on?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:03:54)
Um, on that specific one? I knew the one before. I didn't really push out of the back while I was very much rushing. So I was just like, okay, I gotta push here, I gotta push and then I gotta hit, but I gotta push and then I gotta hit my arms and if I do that it's gonna be fine. Uh, so I had a good push, I got to a good spot on my mid mark and, and after that I was just thinking about moving my right arm. Um, and that was about it cuz I knew that if I just do that, those things, I'm gonna move the pole. That's gonna be enough to um, to have a decent enough jump.

Jake Winder: (01:04:28)
Have there been any cues over the years that have really helped to like break, break, break you through to like a new level or anything like

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:04:37)
Yeah, there has, um, this Polish coach that was coaching us for two or three years, she was very much about the top arm and moving it really, really hard and really like soon after takeoff, like almost before takeoff. And we worked on that for like two years. Um, and yeah, it was annoying just to just to have that cue, but it really worked and I really moved the pulse during that time and I think you can look, you can look on a guy and they can see that it looks nice, but you can't see how much pressure they're getting through their top arm. Mm-hmm. . Um, so it's like doing a pullover. They can do a pullover with 10 kilos and you can do a pullover with 20 kilos. It is more force, but you can't see it. So, um, that's been like, that has been one of the key things, like how much you can freaking drive that hand.

Jake Winder: (01:05:27)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:05:28)
Um, you and yeah, we're still working on it so this day, but we've been working on other things too.

Jake Winder: (01:05:33)
Yeah. Yeah. And uh, that's actually a really interesting thing to think about. Yeah. Cuz whenever you're, you know, moving the 11 four, you know, it looks the same as when you're moving, you know, the whatever you 13 oh or whatever it is. Uh, but you're, you're really gotta put a lot of force through that top arm if you're moving that 11 four, you know? Yeah. . That's crazy. So you had mentioned just a second ago about like almost moving the arm before you plant. Was

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:06:06)
That, yeah. I mean, it's more of like, you probably won't do it, but if you think about it beforehand, maybe you won't at least do it late .

Jake Winder: (01:06:12)
Right. So just being early, early to the party with that one.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:06:17)
Yeah. I mean still I think still I'm not, like, I still see my hips come in a little bit and I'd like them to move sooner. Um, but yeah, it's, it's starting to get better I guess.

Jake Winder: (01:06:28)
Yeah. Yeah. Um, could you share with us maybe like, uh, what a day in the life of Sandrey looks like? What, what's your, like your routines and, and just Yeah,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:06:40)
Yeah. Uh, those sorts of things. Well, I am definitely still a student athlete and, uh, maybe more athlete student at this point, but

Jake Winder: (01:06:49)
,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:06:51)
Um, there has been a lot of class. So, um, I wake up, do my things, get ready, and then I normally have class in the mornings, uh, not super early, but, um, I don't really, I don't work out in the morning. Yeah. I just, just get breakfast and, and, and get, go to class. Um, most semesters I had about four classes this semester I'm lucky to only have two plus my thesis just cuz I did, sometimes I did five classes so that I could have some easier semesters. Right. Um, so yeah, it's a lot of school then lunch and then we normally work out at three or four and we don't really get out till seven or so. Okay. And then dinner and then, um, either library or study somewhere, hang out, um, procrastinate, studying, uh, usually the case, I guess. .

Jake Winder: (01:07:47)
Is there anything unique that you do that like, uh, people might find interesting? Like maybe you eat, you know, something or maybe there's like a morning routine that you do or anything like that?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:07:59)
I don't think there's anything special in my day that, uh, I think, I'm trying to think. I always, I always try to be mindful of, um, that I'm not doing too. Like ideally I want like a few hours between my last class, I guess and like an important workout, but sometimes I'm have a finished at four and then I'm trying to work out at four 30, so I can't always do that, then I just gotta go down, but Right. I guess, I mean, I have skipped lectures in order to just rest before practice.

Jake Winder: (01:08:36)
Uh, and when you say rest, is that just kind of, you know, laying in bed, going on your phone or reading?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:08:43)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing that stuff or just, um, not doing anything like super, uh, taxing or like, I mean, sitting in lecture sometimes as, um, just, just sitting there for hours, um, in a chair or whatever Right. Where you're gonna go pole and maybe have an important workout is not always ideal. So, um, yeah. Or or if I have so many classes that I can't necessarily eat lunch at the right time regarding like, I want to eat like whatever, two or three hours beforehand. Um, yeah, I just try to always be, always plan out my day that, so food, lecture, uh, discussion, whatever we have discussions, whatever. And in university yeah. That it always works out so that when I get to training I'm not super tired or anything like that. So that I try to get my work in during hours where yeah, I'm gonna have more, more success and be more rested for my workouts. But I don't like, I don't nap every day. I don't have like any like really weird things like that. Like

Jake Winder: (01:09:54)
What about your nutrition in your diet? Is that something that you've paid attention to more as you've gotten older?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:09:59)
Um, a little bit. I've always eaten pretty, pretty good. And when I lived back in Norway with mom and dad and everybody, I just eat whatever, um, she made or he made. Yeah. And pretty traditional like cooking and we eat pretty, pretty clean, like homemade stuff most every day almost pretty much. Um, so yeah, I've always been a pretty like clean eater just from growing up and here, you know, like I, I'm in a dorm, I don't have a kitchen, I don't have a bathroom. Yeah. In my dorm. Like I'm still living that like college dorm life. Yeah. And I eat in the dining hall all my meals, so I can't be like too restrictive in a diet. Um, like I don't, I can't count calories, it's not gonna really work. Yeah. Um, yeah, I just eat the best way I can in the dining hall, so whatever they have, I Yeah. Try to pick out the best foods, but yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:10:55)
What, uh, after you jump to your, your big six meter bar national champion, uh, was there like a celebration meal or something that you guys,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:11:05)
You know what we had, we had a, what was it? It wasn't McDonald's, it was this other burger, fast food burger because they closed so late and we didn't get there till like 10 30, 11. Yeah. It's like Whataburger or something.

Jake Winder: (01:11:17)
Whataburger, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:11:19)
It was all right. . But I mean, it wasn't my best celebration meal, but it was the only thing open and it was fine. I was with free friends and um, yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:11:28)
Right. That's hilarious. What do you think is the hardest thing that you have had to overcome so far in your career?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:11:37)
Oh, injuries

Jake Winder: (01:11:38)
Really.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:11:40)
Uh, yeah. Um, I've had a lot of injuries and it's maybe been, um, but why my progression's been like, I jump 5 75 at like 18 years old or 19 I guess. And then last year I done 5 82. That's this much improvement in like four or five years. Right. So it's not a whole lot. Um, and I think it's because the injuries have made me like not as consistent both in my jumping and in my training. Um, so yeah. Injuries.

Jake Winder: (01:12:11)
What kind of injuries do you deal with?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:12:14)
So I had stress fractures in my back, uh, 15, 16, 17 ish years old. Um, and then pretty common pole vault when you grow a lot in that stuff. Mm-hmm. . Um, yeah, it was hard, but it wasn't the worst I guess. Um, but then in 2019 I had like a foot thing, ankle thing. Um, I got a stress fracture in my tails, bone in my foot. Um, it was super frustrated cuz I did the whole doctor's plan and everything. Whenever I got back it was still bothering me. So then we had to like, okay, even more conservative being a boot, p r p injections, like, uh, all this stuff. And it took a long time and I was really frustrated that I was like, you know what? I don't even know if I can check again. Like, I really hope this thing works out. I don't wanna have surgery. Um, and luckily I didn't and it, it did get better finally. Um, so yeah, that was always hard to deal with. Like not knowing if you're gonna be be fine.

Jake Winder: (01:13:09)
Right. How do you get through that? Like mentally? Like what, were there anything that you did?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:13:15)
Not really. I think it's just like, you know what, I can't, I can't change this. Um, it's gonna go how it, how it goes. So there's no need to, to be more upset about it then. Yeah. It, it is annoying, but like, I can't, I'm not in control of it. I have to just do the best I can and follow the plan, I guess, and then hope that it works out and it did. So.

Jake Winder: (01:13:39)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:13:40)
Never, never need to worry beforehand, you know, like Yeah. You can worry if if you get there. .

Jake Winder: (01:13:46)
Well, it's hard too. It's hard to stay present like with where you're at because especially now with social media is I, I couldn't imagine being going through an injury during this time because it's like you just like pull up your phone and it's like, oh my gosh, everyone just, it was during popping off.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:14:07)
When did, when did Monte set the world record The first time? So

Jake Winder: (01:14:13)
20 20 20 I think it was. It was like right when we were about to shut down. Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:14:20)
Yeah. So that was when I was hurt .

Jake Winder: (01:14:23)
Oh my gosh.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:14:24)
And I remember like watching that and I was like, and I was like, still kind of in my boot walking around

Jake Winder: (01:14:29)
. Yeah, well at least you

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:14:31)
On a watch. I was like, you know what? I really wish I was there competing like

Jake Winder: (01:14:34)
. Right. But isn't that kind of a, I mean, it's never a good time to get injured, but like going into Covid is like, there wasn't a whole lot going on.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:14:43)
Yeah, it helped and um, yeah, it was, it made it a little bit more calm, like knowing that I didn't have to like that there would be less competitions,

Jake Winder: (01:14:54)
So. Right, right. So

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:14:55)
Maybe that was when I was kind of like, I was already kind of coming back.

Jake Winder: (01:14:59)
Right. But yeah. Are there things that you do to mitigate your, like, you know, stress on your back or stress on your foot and things like that? I was talking with an athlete yesterday about how as you get older you just like acquire uh, all of these different things with your body. You know, like, uh, okay, my foot's hurt or whatever, my back hurts or whatever, my shoulder hurts. And then you like acquire these different routines of how you're going to keep those things together moving forward. Is there anything that you do with like to keep your back together or your foot together,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:15:34)
Um, jump less that's, uh, the answer to most of those, most of those concerns?

Jake Winder: (01:15:41)
Uh, what does jump less look like for you?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:15:44)
Um, before I always jumped twice a week. Sometimes I'd try to squeeze in like a third little session or something, but mostly it was twice. Um, yeah, I think I was just, I always been like, go, go go kind of guy. Like I never want to do less, I always want to do more. Um, and that's maybe been one of my limitations, I guess, that I wasn't able to like, take rest and do less so I jumped too much. Um, I can't jump like that many jumps anymore. Um, so this year I've been jumping less. Um, we kind of, um, during the fall we changed to like an eight day training cycle.

Jake Winder: (01:16:22)
Okay.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:16:22)
Just cause we could, and because Simon and I are always training together, so we didn't have anybody to rely on in terms of like when we could jump, when we could be in the weight room, whatever. Um, so yeah, we just changed to eight day training cycle and would jump twice during those eight days instead of during seven days. And sometimes I'd only even jump once or, um, you know, like if I didn't feel great one day when I was supposed to jump, I just, you know what, I'm gonna skip this and do something else. Yeah. Uh, no hard feelings.

Jake Winder: (01:16:50)
Is, is that a, is that two days a week plus a meet or is that a meat counts as one?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:16:57)
Yes, A meat definitely counts as maybe even two

Jake Winder: (01:16:59)
. Right? Yeah, for sure. I think as you get older it's, when you're young, you know, you can handle a lot and, and when you're young you need a lot more reps to, to learn how to do it and everything. But as you get older, if you wanna really keep everything together, you got, you can't jump a million times. Especially like gripping the heights that you grip and on the poles that you jump on, you know, it's like a very violent activity. Like it's really hard on your body. And I think that's probably something that psychologically is so hard for people to, to be okay with, is doing less and understanding that doing less sometimes is going to produce much better results. It's like, what do you mean? Like, I I'm gonna jump less and then I'm gonna jump six meters. I don't understand, you know,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:17:53)
I think it's because by jumping less I can actually jump more because I don't have to take those big chunks out of the year with injuries. And

Jake Winder: (01:18:02)
This

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:18:03)
Year we've, this year, even though I've been jumping less, uh, I've actually been jumping the whole year. So if you look at all the total jumps, um, it's probably more than when I was jumping more just cuz then I had like 12 week chunks where like, you know, I got a little stress thing here, I gotta can't jump for that time. So Wow.

Jake Winder: (01:18:23)
That's a I've point

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:18:25)
This whole year, uh, most of last year too. Um, yeah. And a little bit less for sure. But yeah. And then that now when, when I was competing the last like four weeks, I barely, barely even had, um, jump sessions. Like maybe I'd squeeze in one. Um, yeah. Like I had like enough days before the meet and I'd do a few gems from short approach.

Jake Winder: (01:18:51)
Right. That's, that's the biggest like difference that I've, I've been trying to help my brother with is, is understanding that it's you, you don't have to do as much as what you think you have to do. You know, I think we grew up in a culture where, you know, if you know you, if you do more, then there's more honor and pride in that and, and things like that. And it's like, you know, it's not a training competition, it's who can pull vault the highest competition, you know, and, and uh, you know, we can't all be, you know, David Goggins out here and then, and then try to try to go in pole vault, you know, but it's just misinformation out there. Like there's so many coaches out there that think that it's okay for pole vaulters to pole vault five days a week.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:19:44)
Yeah. Uh, I don't think so. And, um, it's

Jake Winder: (01:19:47)
Messed up.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:19:47)
They, they, they kind of think like, oh, then you're like a more serious athlete. But I think you a serious athlete is someone who can, um, there's a lot of ways to like be super serious and meaning like off the track really is. I think that's, that's one of the biggest differences between, um, someone really successful and someone not so successful. They can have the very much the same training program, but if one of them is way more serious about like, like what I was kind of trying to say earlier about like how I structure my day around training, uh, even with classes and stuff like, um, doing that kind of thing, making sure you're eating at the right times, eating good stuff, not staying up late. Like even if you have an exam and stuff like that, like you have to sleep, you gotta try to find other ways to where you can put in the work. Um, um, yeah, you got to spend your weekend studying I guess if you, you can't be out and about

Jake Winder: (01:20:46)
. Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:20:47)
It's like

Jake Winder: (01:20:48)
How bad do you want it?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:20:49)
Yeah. Yeah. And then not trying to do too much in terms of training. Like, you always gotta be smart about things and yes, working hard and working a lot is important. Um, and a lot of people don't train enough, I guess. Right. But, um, yeah, I think that's, um, been one of my key like things and why both me and my brother have been having success.

Jake Winder: (01:21:17)
Now. What like, do during your off season, like how, how much time do you take off from pole vaulting? You know, like let's say in one year, is there a time of the year that it's like, I take a c you know, a month off

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:21:34)
Or No, thanks

Jake Winder: (01:21:36)
For that ,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:21:37)
That's also something I don't, I think it's different from person to person how much they need both, like for their mind and for their body maybe. I think most people really only need for their mind. I don't think the body needs that much. So last year I had a really, really long season and I took a week and a half off that was it. Barely. Like I, I come back and I'll be like, you know what? I'm, I'm ready to go. Like, but then I kind of like, I, okay, maybe I'll rest my mind for a little bit. Like not doing anything like pole vaulting it. So I, I just go on walks and runs a little bit for like a week. But after that, you know, your body, your body has, unless it has some like serious injuries to deal with, the body doesn't need much more to, to like relax and, and get back into training.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:22:22)
A lot of people, if they take like six weeks or even two months, I see people take two months or even more like they'll be finished in July and not start till whatever October. I'm like, you're gonna get hurt when you get back. Like your body needs like stimulus, you need training. And by taking that long break, you think you're like recovering and stuff, but you're gonna increase your chances of getting hurt when you get back just because you haven't, you haven't pole vaulted for that long. Like it's gonna be hard for your body to get back into it.

Jake Winder: (01:22:53)
Right, right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:22:54)
Um, and sure, maybe you can take a few weeks off pole vaulting, but you gotta do like other stuff. You gotta stimulate your body in some way. Like, um, I think that's really important and I think a lot and you get wor like, then you start off at a worse point. Like if you take six weeks off, you, you're going to deteriorate a little bit and you're gonna have to work the first few weeks just to get back to where you were.

Jake Winder: (01:23:19)
Right. Instead

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:23:20)
Of taking way less time off and just, okay, we're ready to go and then we're gonna build on what we already created like last year.

Jake Winder: (01:23:26)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:23:27)
Um, and yeah, you start off easily and maybe with like half of the volume and then you slowly push back to where you'd want to be. Right. Um, that's what I did this year and, and every year really. Um,

Jake Winder: (01:23:46)
And how do you protect your mind from that burnout that you were talking about?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:23:52)
Um, I mean I'm, I've never really been like a kind that guy that would like burn out or be like, uh, sick of sick of training or sick of jumping. So it hasn't been a big problem for me. It's more been like other people like my dad and stuff, like telling me, okay, you need a little bit of break just to like, make sure you don't get sick of this. Right. Um, but yeah, I, I think changing up the workouts a little bit, the early fall days, so like spending maybe more time outdoors and instead of running on a track you can run in the forest or run on the trail. Um, yeah, we've been doing that a lot in the fall doing like two hundreds and aerobic stuff on the trail instead of on the track. Um, and yeah, that's, that's kind of been been helping in getting different kind of like environments and different kind of stimuli. Um, yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:24:43)
Yeah. Switching it up just so it's not so monotonous. Yeah. You know, like just, you know, even switching the environment is, is very, very helpful. So how do you balance your personal life with all of this?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:24:56)
Um, I think I'm lucky enough that in college, like I what I was talking about earlier that I really enjoy the college life. And I'm not saying that in like the party life

Jake Winder: (01:25:06)
,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:25:07)
It sounds like, don't get me wrong. Like I don't do any, like, I don't think engaged in any of that stuff. And Princeton also is not very much of a typical call, like what you think of a college environment. Right,

Jake Winder: (01:25:20)
Right, right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:25:20)
We barely go out like . Yeah. And so, um, I think the way I balance it is because the track team is so close and we're such a good group, um, and we really care for each other and we care about each other's success. So we are able to, I mean, a lot of my friends are athletes and I see them on the track, I see them in the dining halls, so I kind of get that social thing for free. Like, and I don't have to go out of my way to be social. Um Right. Which maybe I worried if I was like living in Norway, living with my parents or whatever, um, then I would maybe have to go outta my way to get social. But here it's just, I wake up, I eat breakfast with friends sometimes alone, I guess. Um, then yeah, I see them at training and then weekends we hang out. Yeah. It's, it's very easy and I, I really much enjoy it and

Jake Winder: (01:26:11)
Yeah. So what do you do like, uh, for your hobbies or, or things outside of pole vaulting? You say you hang out with your friends on the weekend, like what if it's, you know, if you don't want to share what what it is, um,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:26:22)
That's fine. I mean, during this, during the school year, there's not a whole room of, um, activities to like do. Um, yeah, just there's more like a little bit like more summer hobbies, but during the year, um, it really isn't a whole lot other than training, eating with friends, that's, I guess that can be a hobby. Yeah. Uh, I love getting a coffee. Like I'll, I, every weekend I'm, I'm at the coffee shop either with friends or, uh, or is just studying and, um, it's really nice to, to do that kind of things. Um, and yeah, I'm studying like I am a full-time student at Princeton. Um, it is tough. Academics here are, are no joke. Um, so I think having, I mean, I'd say track is my hobby. Like yes, it, it's hopefully you're gonna be a full-time job once, but it is, um, also a hobby and something I love doing. Um, right. And yeah, I try to, I try to spend time outdoors, um, interact with friends and yeah, those kind of things. But I don't play golf or I don't, uh,

Jake Winder: (01:27:28)
do something. Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, it sounds like you pole vaulting is your thing, man track is your thing.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:27:35)
Yeah. And then, I mean, I'm sure eventually like when I don't have these however many hours of studying a week that, um, I'll pick up, pick up other hobbies and in the summer I love, I love going to, um, our like summer cabin and, and going out with a boat or, uh, go fishing with my brother or um, those kind of things. But

Jake Winder: (01:27:58)
Yeah. So you're talking about Princeton and about, it sounds like you just fit in pretty well here and, and you, you know, talk about going with friends and things like that. So like obviously that's going to change next year. Are you nervous about, you know, trying to adapt to a new environment?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:28:18)
Um, not really. Um, I am very excited for it and I've gotten to know, um, a lot of the athletes and coaches there already just from like meets and knowing that I was gonna go there, uh, ever since like committing, um, yes, it will definitely be a different life. I will have a big bigger space, I hope

Jake Winder: (01:28:38)
. Yeah, right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:28:39)
, I'm trying to join with my brother. I'll still live with him, but, uh, in an apartment and we're trying to get a car. Um, we're trying to just be a little bit more adults. We're probably cook some food, we'll probably still eat in the dining

Jake Winder: (01:28:51)
, we'll probably cook some food. . There you go. Hey, you gotta start learning summer time. That's hilarious.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:28:58)
No, I can cook, don't worry. It's just, I mean, call we don't 90 something percent of, uh, col Princeton students live on campus,

Jake Winder: (01:29:05)
So Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:29:06)
That's great. Um, but yeah, it'll be a different environment for sure. Um, but I am very much looking forward to, to it and um, it seems like the, the guys are great and yeah,

Jake Winder: (01:29:17)
It'll be nice during the wintertime.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:29:20)
Yes. I'm very excited for, uh, the changing climate and training outdoors. I'm pretty much training here indoors all year.

Jake Winder: (01:29:28)
I know, it's

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:29:29)
Crazy even though, I mean, it gets decent in like May, but then may you're pretty much done here, you know?

Jake Winder: (01:29:35)
Yeah, that's what I always say is this, I'm in the Midwest with, in Chicago and

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:29:38)
Always in like, yeah,

Jake Winder: (01:29:40)
Well, you know, you get about a half of a month from May 15th to the end of May, you get good weather and then it's done. So you get like two weeks of the season. , um, sorry,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:29:54)
One day outside. Nice

Jake Winder: (01:29:56)
. Yeah. Right. Um, okay, so hold on one second. Sorry. I ran over my, uh, headphone cable there. Um, so after you're done with Texas, you know, my question was, you know, what's going, what's your life going to be like, you know, in five years? So after you're done with Texas, obviously, uh, track in Europe is much bigger and much, you know, bigger support system in Europe. Um, so I'm assuming you're probably gonna go back to Norway?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:30:29)
Uh, I'm not. Well, uh, first of all, I don't think track is maybe more people watch track then maybe they watch like the worlds and Olympics and diamond leagues more there. Well, I mean there are more track diamond leagues in Europe, so it kind of makes sense. But in terms of how many people do track, it's, I think my dad looked at some like statistics of how many people do track in like high school and college in the US and it's, it's actually more than in, uh, Europe. Um, so I think that's kind of like a myth that track is bigger in Europe and it's, yeah, there's maybe more meets where people can make money in terms of being pro, but yeah, that's kind of, I mean the US can work on that too to have better, um, better meets and elite meets. And I think maybe part of the problem is, uh, the difference between like college or high school, college and pro. It's like very much three separate things mm-hmm. while in Europe it's more like a gradual like, well first of all it's club growing up, so you kind of don't change well throughout middle school, high school, college pro. It's kind of like you're still in your club and yeah, maybe when you're better, you're earning some money and getting in contract, but you might still be in school. Mm-hmm. . Um, and I guess

Jake Winder: (01:31:46)
I think that's the thing is, is that in the US it's it's connected to Scholastics, like it's connected to Yeah. Uh, the school system. So you're exactly right. It's like super chunked up, like it's all right, high school, you compete in high school and then it's a huge big deal to go and compete in college. And then, but then after college it's just like a really, really gray area because I would say there's probably, you know, I don't know, two or three people that are making enough money to really, you know, support their, their livelihood. Um, you know, I guess, I mean, I I could be wrong on that, but

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:32:26)
Oh, you're right. I mean there's, there's not a lot of people that can just do tracking. I mean, even in Europe, people, um, have small jobs on the side. Um, but yeah, maybe, and

Jake Winder: (01:32:37)
See you never hear about that though. You never hear about like that in Europe. You always think like if you make it to Europe, then you just made it to the Promised Land. .

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:32:46)
Yeah, . I think that's for the very, very few percentage, maybe like 1% of the per, you know,

Jake Winder: (01:32:52)
. Right, right. Okay. So that's, that's interesting. Um, because you know what, what I grew up with and what a lot of people in the states grow up with is after you're done with college, if you jumped high enough you can, you know, try to make it over to Europe, but then if you get over to Europe, then you're going to get appearance fees and you're gonna get travel money and you're gonna get winnings and earnings and things like that. So how many more opportunities do you think there are to do something like that in Europe than there are in the United States?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:33:25)
To like be a professional athlete or

Jake Winder: (01:33:28)
Yeah, to a professional track athlete because it's, this is what's really frustrating me personally about the whole situation is if you want to get into like a B-level meet, like there's like nothing in the United States.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:33:47)
Yeah. For

Jake Winder: (01:33:48)
That. There's like a couple,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:33:50)
Yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:33:51)
You know, like there's like Mount Sac I think is

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:33:54)
Not anymore actually.

Jake Winder: (01:33:56)
Is it not?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:33:57)
I think they dropped in rankings. Yeah. They weren't able to keep theirs whatever.

Jake Winder: (01:34:02)
Um, and NCAAs like NCAAs, like what's the rank on NCAAs? Isn't it Like

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:34:07)
It might be C Outdoor. I'm not sure though. Don't quote me on this. Yeah, it might be, I dunno,

Jake Winder: (01:34:12)
I thought somebody said last year was like an F or something

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:34:15)
Like that. I think it's better than an F . I think I got, I don't remember, but I don't know, like the solution, I think the US have a lot of issues themselves that they gotta, it seems like they're just like blaming it on whatever Europe and like, oh, everything is better in Europe, but like, um, or like it's only possible to make money in Europe. But um, yeah, so I think they gotta improve on their, yeah, as you said, like the chunks between high school, college and pro. Because Ima imagine how many col uh, high school athletes there are that could potentially be interested in watching the pros, but Right. There's such a big gap between that. Like if you ask a high schooler who the best, like whatever, long jumper even, I mean, yeah, p p people probably know who Mano is, but there it's a big like gap and people don't really know like who are pros and whatever. So,

Jake Winder: (01:35:10)
Um Right. That's like what we're trying to do, like Rise is trying to create something that people can like be a fan of and like, so like whenever you go out and you meet a pole vault on the street, it's like, Hey, did you hear Sandrey jump six meters? And them not be like, who's Sandrey? You know, like that's the big thing that's I think the hugest disconnect is, uh, we had a kid last night, um, at, at Rise when we were coaching, me and Luke were coaching and uh, he goes, Hey, I was, uh, you know, I was watching, uh, on YouTube, the 2022 World Championships, um, do you guys know anybody who's ever jumped there? And Luke was like, I jumped there last year, you know, like . And, and he was like, really? And I was like, that's so crazy that like somebody who like works inside of our building or l who trains inside of our building doesn't even know that Luke Pole vaults, you know, let alone made world championship team last year. Yeah. And so that's, that's where I think Europe might tell me if I'm wrong, might have a better leg up than us because maybe just the, maybe there's not, maybe there's more people that participated in in the US but I think maybe there's more fans in

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:36:40)
Your Yeah, that be true. That definitely could be

Jake Winder: (01:36:42)
True. Now what about like the Nordic countries compared to like, I don't know, like, uh, well you guys are coming up huge right now, so is there a lot of fans of like pole vaulting and track and field in Nordic countries?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:36:58)
Um, I don't know about huge, I mean, soccer and stuff is definitely more popular.

Jake Winder: (01:37:03)
Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:37:04)
Um, but I mean we are able to fill like Oslo, Bisley games, it's always full. I guess it's like 14,000 the stadium can take. So it's every year it's full. Um, and that is our biggest meat. But, um, yeah, I mean, I don't know like the solution for like the US and how to, um, I think they, they do have some things to try to sort out. Um, and I mean it's not perfect in Europe either. Um, but Right. I'm not percent sure.

Jake Winder: (01:37:35)
Yeah. I think that a lot of the solution is going to be based around media surrounding the event because if you, if you, you know, maybe you listen to this podcast where you like watch videos, you know, follow sandrey on Instagram and then you know, you, you create fans of you. Yeah. And then you provide a meet and then you advertise the meat and you say Sanjay's gonna be there. And then it's like, oh my gosh, he's gonna be there. Cuz now you have a bunch of fans that want to come out and pay money to see you. Like we have a really nice place, uh, in Chicago now called Gateley Stadium and you know, it's a really nice track indoor track stadium, but it's a over a thousand dollars an hour to rent it. So like if I wanted to put on a meet at Gateley, it'd be like, all right, well I gotta, you know, rent it out for like four hours so that's gonna be like four grand. Like am I gonna be able to get enough tickets? You know, to be able to justify that Diamond Leagues. I would be interested to see what the financials are on Diamond Leagues, to be honest with you.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:38:50)
No idea.

Jake Winder: (01:38:52)
But kind of interesting. Yeah.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:38:54)
I guess your question also was uh, asking about like where I see myself like, um, potting in like five years if I'm in Norway or whatever. Yeah. Um, I think a little bit of the plan with going to Texas is also that if we do really like it and if it does really work out well, um, we could potentially see us, um, living there post-collegiate, um, training at the, like I think it's very nice and easy to train at like a college facility. Yeah. Um, and Austin is a really cool city and obviously I haven't spent too much time there, but I visited a few times and I think with the next two years, um, living there and studying, we'll figure out if we want to keep um, staying there. But I can definitely see myself living in training in Austin and I think it's a great place. So, um, yeah. And then being there for the fall training and then eventually during winter you go back to Europe and you do those European meets and world in European champs and whatever. Yeah. And then you go back for, um, spring training and then you go back to Europe over the summer and you kind of do that. Um, yeah. And I think that would be a very good situation cuz you get great facilities in Texas or at any college really, but for us it'll be Texas probably.

Jake Winder: (01:40:15)
Now what would be the benefit to, to that as opposed to just having your, uh, like after you're done with your schooling, obviously, like what would be, what would be the benefit to that, um, over having a home base in Europe so you don't have to going

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:40:33)
Back and forth. Yeah, I think, I think, um, the like training at a college is super nice because everything is in the same place. You have the training room, you have hot tub, cold tub, physio, all that stuff. Um, track, um, everything like, and I will live close by. Everything is very centered. Like, um, and, and I mean the facilities are better than, um, a lot of facilities in Europe or I mean, okay. I mean I can definitely find good, good spots, but I mean also the climate that I won't find

Jake Winder: (01:41:16)
Like I find

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:41:17)
I won't find in Norway. Maybe if I go like all the way south of France or something, there'll be something similar but not really. So that is also an advantage like training in, in good weather all year. It's super nice. Um, and yeah, just having that proximity to everything. Um Right. Like when I was living in, um, like in high school or junior high or whatever in Norway, I would live in my town and I would um, take like I, we would drive for like 40 hours to get to the closest indoor track. That was like good enough, um, to jump

Jake Winder: (01:41:51)
Hold on. 4D hours,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:41:53)
Four zero minutes. Yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:41:55)
Oh, it's 40 minutes. Okay. I you said hours. I was like my gosh, . I didn't know that.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:42:02)
Yeah. 40, 45 minutes maybe more with traffic. Um, yeah, I mean it's not crazy but we would do that like three or four days a week, um, to do our sprinting, everything like that. So it was a lot. And then you'd go one place for physio and um, just spread out kind of. And I'm sure we could have managed something more like close if people lived closer to a track and, but you know, um, yeah. I won't get the Austin climate still.

Jake Winder: (01:42:26)
What about, uh,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:42:29)
Or whatever

Jake Winder: (01:42:30)
You guys seem to really enjoy your time in San Diego in like Chula, uh, area. Yeah. What about that situation?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:42:40)
Um, I mean it's definitely a possibility, um, if like, if Texas doesn't work out, but, um, yeah, I've definitely thought about it too. Um, yeah, getting and living in San Diego, um, and there's, they know a better place to pu vault then maybe Austin, so

Jake Winder: (01:42:57)
Yeah. Right.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:42:58)
I'll see. I mean, I'll be two years in Austin. Um, we'll see how we like it and whatever.

Jake Winder: (01:43:03)
Are you going to Texas relays in a couple weeks?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:43:08)
Probably. Um, okay. Don't expect any six meter jumps cuz I have to get back into harder training now. Um, but yeah, yeah,

Jake Winder: (01:43:16)
Yeah. Right, right, right. Um, yeah, the, the thing is with the college situation, like you've mentioned a few times is that it is, it's, it's like a professional athlete. Like you have everything right there, right there for you. Your track, your, your, your, uh, treatment, your food, your, you know, shelter. All of that stuff is right there. Um, and you can basically, you know, walk to it, which is, I don't know if it gets much better than the college setup. Um, you know, it's, it's incredible.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:43:53)
By being pro you mean?

Jake Winder: (01:43:55)
Yeah, I'm just Well, yeah, like if you're, if you're being, I mean in, in the US pole vaulting in college is the closest I think that you'll, you really get right now to, you know, being like a professional athlete. Right. Once

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:44:11)
You leave, you travel for free. Like your, your college pays for everything they pay for your hotel. Right. So it is very much similar to being pro and it's, it's not that whole big of difference like Right. Maybe you're not making prize money, but there's not that many pros making prize money either, so.

Jake Winder: (01:44:26)
Right, right. Um, couple more things before we get off here. Um, what we usually do a segment at the end whenever I have somebody on the first time is I talk, I ask them if they were to choose three exercises that they would do exclusively Right. And you can, you can pull vault as much as you want and uh, but you have to decide what are the three things that move the needle for you that you would do exclusively if you couldn't do anything else besides pole vault?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:45:00)
Uh, sprinting.

Jake Winder: (01:45:02)
What, what's the, uh, distance. Distance and is it trapped? Do you trap it or do you time it or?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:45:08)
I'd say like 50 meters. So like a flying 20.

Jake Winder: (01:45:12)
Flying 20. Okay. Yep.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:45:14)
Um, that's number one.

Jake Winder: (01:45:16)
Hold on really quick. Let me dig into it a little bit more. Are you starting from a stop? Are you, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Okay. Doesn't

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:45:24)
Matter. You can skip into it. You can start from a start. This, it doesn't matter. Just

Jake Winder: (01:45:29)
Get up to top speed and hold it. Yep.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:45:30)
Yep. I think that is uh, key, right? New sprinting. Oh dude, I don't know. That's two more.

Jake Winder: (01:45:38)
Gotta think about it. I'm just interested cuz I, I don't know much. I know you're, I know you're pretty sprint heavy. I follow your Instagram, so I see some of your stuff, but I never really see anything in the weight room. I never really see anything. Uh, yeah,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:45:51)
We're not huge in the, we're not huge in the, the weight room. We do a lot of isometrics.

Jake Winder: (01:45:57)
Okay.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:45:58)
But I, I don't know if like, we do like a lot of iso lunch holds.

Jake Winder: (01:46:04)
Really?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:46:05)
Yeah,

Jake Winder: (01:46:06)
That's an interesting one. Weighted or just body weight?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:46:09)
Oh, just body weight,

Jake Winder: (01:46:10)
Huh?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:46:12)
Um, it's good for like tendons and there's a lot of like, things with like neurons and stuff like that, like recruitment. Um, may, maybe I'll say that. Maybe I'll say that then. Nobody's probably said that. So

Jake Winder: (01:46:24)
. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. So an isometric lunge hold. How long will you hold that isometric?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:46:30)
Uh, like three minutes.

Jake Winder: (01:46:31)
Three minutes?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:46:33)
Yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:46:33)
In a lunge

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:46:34)
Hold. Yeah. Well you work up though. Maybe you can't do it first try, but now I can do it fairly easily.

Jake Winder: (01:46:41)
Okay. Yeah, I get it now. I thought you were gonna say like 30 seconds or something.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:46:45)
. Oh, lemme think one more thing. Ah, I mean we do a lot, lot of cleans. I guess snatches. We do

Jake Winder: (01:46:51)
Cleans from the floor.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:46:53)
Uh, yeah, we do both. Okay. But I'm trying to think, um, people have said a lot of different stuff. Um,

Jake Winder: (01:47:04)
What about like, do you guys swing from bar like a high bar or anything or?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:47:09)
Yes, but it's not like, uh, not that often.

Jake Winder: (01:47:11)
Oh, I got one for you. All right. I've been meaning to ask you what is that? And you don't have to use this as one of your things, but what is that stick? It's like a, it's like a, it's like a pool with a stick off the side of it.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:47:27)
That's like the, the That's what I was only in Sweden. That's coach gusta as well. That made that thing.

Jake Winder: (01:47:32)
That is so cool. I saw you guys using that and I was like, man, that's so awesome because it's better than a straight pole because you can get your hand, your bottom hand up.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:47:40)
That was really nice. Actually. I need to try that more, but we don't have it over here. Uh, so I don't think it's gonna be my third thing, but third thing maybe I'm gonna go with a 12 step cone pole drill pole run drill. Have you ever seen me do that?

Jake Winder: (01:47:57)
No. What is it? Well, maybe,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:47:59)
Oh well you're gonna have to look on my Instagram I guess to really understand. But yeah, put it's 12 steps. So we do three lefts before the cone's. Gonna do three lefts with the cones. Um, so it's like teaching you to push, well the first six steps, three left and then you have high frequency the next, the six steps, and then you want to get your pole to, um, horizontal whenever you have three steps left and then boom, boom up. Right. Um, I think that's been a good, um, good key to our like, um, we've been doing it quite a bit, uh, in training to get that rhythm and staying nice and relaxed and pushing out of the back and then getting frequent and tall. So yeah, I guess those are my three things. A lot of running. It's, I guess it's very running based, but I think that's also been very, very important to Yeah, to my success. I mean, I have pretty high runway speed and it's, it's because the sprint training,

Jake Winder: (01:48:53)
You know, it's interesting because I, if I were to guess, this could be totally wrong, but I would say Europeans are more sprint heavy.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:49:04)
I think it's

Jake Winder: (01:49:04)
Less

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:49:05)
Back and field heavy. Like we're more and less just pole vault, like in most of the pole vaulters in Europe have been doing other events. So like we've been training as track and field athletes and not as pole vaulters. Right. I think that's maybe why, uh, that's the case.

Jake Winder: (01:49:21)
Yeah. Cuz Mando, you know, he's sprint heavy, you know, I mean

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:49:26)
He is very much like, yes, he is convinced for Sweden, but I mean, he grew up in the, he grew up with pole vaulting, but he has been, I think he's been good about, I mean his mom is Swedish, so I'm sure they have, um, always been on like the, the track and field training and I know he did like a couple hurdle races and long jumps back in the day, so. Right, right. Uh, she always been training very much all around too, and

Jake Winder: (01:49:47)
Yeah, I feel like his mom, I actually would like to talk to his mom about like his training and stuff like that, but, uh, yeah, I'm sure that, but he, you know, he, he does, I feel like in the States it's a lot of lifting. I think lifting is like a big thing in the US and maybe not pushed as much, much in, in Europe. I don't know.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:50:09)
No, I definitely don't. Like, it wouldn't be my, my top three things. I mean, I do lift, um, but I'm never in the weight room for more than like 45 minutes. Right. Uh,

Jake Winder: (01:50:19)
Just doing a

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:50:20)
Couple minutes, only a few exercises and yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:50:23)
Last thing before we get off here. Um, you had mentioned that you are, you measure, you, you were, you had your runway speed at Princeton.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:50:32)
Yes.

Jake Winder: (01:50:33)
What do you guys use to measure that?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:50:35)
Uh, it's, um, is that a laser muscle lab or dyna speed? It's, I think it's muscle, muscle lab. Laser speed I think it's called. Yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:50:45)
Okay.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:50:46)
I'm not getting paid to say this. I think we had to buy it. Yeah.

Jake Winder: (01:50:50)
Muscle Lab,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:50:51)
It's, they wanted to give us a discount. I'm

Jake Winder: (01:50:54)
. Uh, yeah, the,

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:50:55)
It's a very nice tool. Um, we're still working on getting it, like we only use it twice, so,

Jake Winder: (01:51:02)
So it's just a laser that goes at the back of the runway. I

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:51:06)
Echo the runway. It like shoots you right in the back and you can get every single measurement from right start to finish. And you can see where your takeoff speed is rel relative to your takeoff, well, sorry, where your top peak speed is relative to your takeoff. Right. So wanna have as close as possible to

Jake Winder: (01:51:23)
Your takeoff. Is yours pretty close?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:51:25)
Um, I don't, we, we couldn't figure out the fully the calibration this time, but when Gustav measured me like a year back or so, um, it was fairly close.

Jake Winder: (01:51:35)
Right, right. Yeah. I want to get one of those so bad.

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:51:38)
Yeah, it's cool. Got

Jake Winder: (01:51:39)
A couple ideas for him. Yeah. Sandrey, you're a busy man. Thank you so much for your time. Really, really appreciate it. Where could, uh, people follow you if they wanted to?

Sondre Guttormsen: (01:51:51)
Uh, Instagram sandrey underscore pv? So my first name is spelled s o n d r e, underscore PV for you guys know what . Um, I post on YouTube if you just search my name, Sandra Gut Dormon. I post every once in a while, like me recaps and stuff like that. Um, yeah, can add me as a friend on Facebook if you want to, I guess. But yeah, mostly my biggest one is Instagram and

Jake Winder: (01:52:15)
Yeah, he's a really good follow too if you don't follow him. I enjoy his content and uh, his YouTube, uh, content as well. So Sandre, thank you so much. Really appreciate your time. Yep. All right guys. This the one more jump podcast. Talk to you guys later.